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She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

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Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#11

“She declined to say what was on the ill-fated lunch menu, or whether she had eaten it.” Why would she decline this? Did she just not tell the media, but told the police?

Anyone with half a brain would refrain from potential self-incrimination when suspected of murder. Guilty or not, what you say can be used against you.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#12

Foraging is a very cool hobby that I'd like to get into some day, but I'm aware of the potential for it to go wrong. My understanding is that in many places, you cannot determine safe mushrooms from dangerous ones using reference photos, they're just too similar and you need live expertise. What's safe and what's dangerous is also very localized. I worry that social media will cause people to think they can forage sa…

As a beginner, I found it helpful to

- get a regional guidebook

- attend a mycology society foray

You can start with mushrooms that have no poisonous look-alikes, and gradually build confidence in your identification skills.

I do see a lot of troubling Facebook posts asking if a big heap of different mushrooms are edible.

You do have to put in some work to be able to identify a lot of different species. As a bonus though, I've leave a lot about trees and natural systems in general.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#13
Ex-husband narrowly survives a sudden and serious GI illness after weeks of intensive care. A year later, his parents and another couple die or nearly die after dinner with his wife, becoming suddenly and violently ill while she and her children are unharmed.

Curious.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#14

Foraging is a very cool hobby that I'd like to get into some day, but I'm aware of the potential for it to go wrong. My understanding is that in many places, you cannot determine safe mushrooms from dangerous ones using reference photos, they're just too similar and you need live expertise. What's safe and what's dangerous is also very localized. I worry that social media will cause people to think they can forage sa…

Correct, photos are not adequate when trying to identify a mushroom yourself for the first time (when intending consumption). You need to do things such as spore-prints [1]. It is also strongly advised to go out into the field with those who are already experienced and have them teach you to identify, and not to be "self-taught". Your local mycological society would be more than happy to educate you. [1]: https://en.…

Some mushrooms require microscopic examination of spite shape to distinguish between possibilities and edible varieties.

It's best to find safe species in your region and learn to distinguish them and their look alikes by forwarding with a very knowledgeable and experienced mycologist.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#15

“She declined to say what was on the ill-fated lunch menu, or whether she had eaten it.” Why would she decline this? Did she just not tell the media, but told the police?

I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, there's no reason to talk to the police if you're suspected of murder. It can never help you. It can only hurt you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

edit: the video is a talk a criminal lawyer gave explaining why it's a bad idea to talk to the police. If you want a more detailed explanation, watch it.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

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post #8

Imagine having tried to kill your ex husband and later succeeding in killing two couples with poisoned food and getting away with it. Great method, perfect for plausible deniability.

Not just any two couples, one couple was her ex-husband's parents...

That right there moves it solidly into "planned action", but I don't have much available data.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#17

“She declined to say what was on the ill-fated lunch menu, or whether she had eaten it.” Why would she decline this? Did she just not tell the media, but told the police?

I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, there's no reason to talk to the police if you're suspected of murder. It can never help you. It can only hurt you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE edit: the video is a talk a criminal lawyer gave explaining why it's a bad idea to talk to the police. If you want a more detailed explanation, watch it.

I like the UK method [1] more. You can be silent if you like but if you want to claim you were just going on a "jog" and not "running away from somebody you murdered" you better make that claim now.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence_in_England_an...

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#18

Foraging is a very cool hobby that I'd like to get into some day, but I'm aware of the potential for it to go wrong. My understanding is that in many places, you cannot determine safe mushrooms from dangerous ones using reference photos, they're just too similar and you need live expertise. What's safe and what's dangerous is also very localized. I worry that social media will cause people to think they can forage sa…

Correct, photos are not adequate when trying to identify a mushroom yourself for the first time (when intending consumption). You need to do things such as spore-prints [1]. It is also strongly advised to go out into the field with those who are already experienced and have them teach you to identify, and not to be "self-taught". Your local mycological society would be more than happy to educate you. [1]: https://en.…

The other reality is that in most regions there's only a handful of truly dangerous fungus groups with look-alikes that, while edible, are not particularly choice. And the really delicious fungus often have look alikes that are not delicious and may cause GI issues, but wont kill you.

So while all of this should come with a warning to talk with others and do research, it's not impossible to learn what's edible and enjoy foraging. The internet is great at making us afraid of the outdoors. But you just need to take a few precautions if you do eat fungus such as picking one person in your group with a solid GI system to eat a tiny bit and wait 24-48 hours. If they're good, make a note in your journal, take some detailed photos and try eating it again.

Some of the best eating I've ever done was sauteed butter-footed boletes in an omelet.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

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Imagine having tried to kill your ex husband and later succeeding in killing two couples with poisoned food and getting away with it. Great method, perfect for plausible deniability.

Imagine randomly accusing someone of multiple murders on the internet with absolutely no proof.

Re: She invited four people over for lunch. A week later, three were dead

#20

“She declined to say what was on the ill-fated lunch menu, or whether she had eaten it.” Why would she decline this? Did she just not tell the media, but told the police?

I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US, there's no reason to talk to the police if you're suspected of murder. It can never help you. It can only hurt you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE edit: the video is a talk a criminal lawyer gave explaining why it's a bad idea to talk to the police. If you want a more detailed explanation, watch it.

I find that absurd. How can giving the police information that can exonerate you always be a bad idea? It seems like people have entered this weird behavior where they follow guidance blindly.

EDIT: And after watching some of the video the presenter seems to be making the case that you should never interact with the police. And maybe even moreso -- maybe never communicate at all w/o your lawyer since there are laws you may be breaking at any point in time that you may not realize.

If prosecution doesn't care about the truth, and the police happily will comopletely fabricate out of thin air, and you regularly break laws you aren't even aware of -- it seems like talking to police is a relatively small problem.

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