UPS is capitalized in the BBC story title (and everywhere else), it should be capitalized in the HN title, methinks.
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UPS driver pay and benefits deal in US to be worth $170k a year, firm says
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Re: UPS driver pay and benefits deal in US to be worth $170k a year, firm says
#22that's more what I'm payed as a senior dev ... maybe I should change career
Let's be honest, they're probably doing more important work. But keep in mind this is including all costs of benefits, etc. If you're making less than that as a senior dev in the US you might just need to change job not career
$170 - $50 for benefits is $120K for base pay. Senior Devs in the US earn on average about $103K. You might be surprised at the number of developers out there earning normal non-FAANG salaries located in smaller cities. But I agree, the drivers are delivering more value, literally.
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#23I will pay more for items to be shipped to me and wait longer for them to arrive if it means the UPS drivers are treated fairly.
I won't.
Re: UPS driver pay and benefits deal in US to be worth $170k a year, firm says
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or participate in collective bargaining!
Just a side thought, but how do the collective bargaining protections work in the age of automation? Basically like robots as scabs or permanent replacements?
If your work could be fully automated - you wouldn’t have a job right now and collective bargaining wouldn’t be relevant.
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#25that's more what I'm payed as a senior dev ... maybe I should change career
Do you want back pain and constant work for 10 hours?
I don’t. And I did make way more. But keep in mind that physical labor jobs are continuous work and hard on the body. As a swe I could work an hour, go for a walk to think, work another 2 hours, play ping pong with the PM while we discuss something, and enjoy multiples in RSUs. Just saying.
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#26Re: UPS driver pay and benefits deal in US to be worth $170k a year, firm says
#27Drivers were already making great money. The other package handlers like at the sorting facilities get left out though.
Full time drivers were/are doing pretty good, particularly those with decades of time at UPS. Part time drivers (the bulk of their workforce) were not. That was the main thrust of the recent negotiations (that and AC).
But yes, package handlers and sorters next, please.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
The company might be doing some funny math with the value of the benefits: $50,000. That could include things you might never use, like IVF assistance.
My wife is a teacher in NC. We are on her insurance with the state health plan for a whole family. We pay $700/mo for our portion on the 80/20 plan. I would say they likely do pay $30k+ per employee and 50k isnt a big stretch when you count every benefit as you stated. https://www.shpnc.org/documents/open-enrollment-documents/sh...
That is the beauty of employer subsidized benefits with preferential tax treatment.
The worker cannot easily compare compensation offered by different employers, so they are less likely to leave. And bigger/more profitable businesses can afford to hire professionals to analyze and implement these benefit plans, while small businesses are left competing for 2nd tier employees since they cannot afford that overhead.
Why someone gets health insurance and retirement savings with pre tax money if their employer subsidizes it and why someone has to pay for health insurance and retirement savings with post tax money if their employer does not subsidize it is a pretty great injustice that neither party is interested in addressing.
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#29I will pay more for items to be shipped to me and wait longer for them to arrive if it means the UPS drivers are treated fairly.
That's great but why are you forcing others to subsidize these jobs too, especially the poor?
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#30that's more what I'm payed as a senior dev ... maybe I should change career
Interesting. I too am a senior dev and I really don't feel the need to compare. I'm doing something I'm good at and I'm compensated well for it. I am getting mine, and I want everyone else to get theirs too. It's not a race. It's not a competition. It's not about being/feeling important.