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Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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While it's a perfectly fine choice to ostracize Yahoo for their actions, Yammer's CEO is going to end up looking like little more than a hypocrite at the least, and maybe a dipshit, if he doesn't apply the same rules to all companies equally based on behavior. The odds the CEO will apply the same rule to all other companies acting with patent belligerence? Approximately zero. They'd need a substantial piece of tracki…

It can be done. Look at the US. Ever had to fill out, 'Not a member of the Nazi Party between 1933-1945? The US Citizenship test in no way makes the US look like a 'serious jerkwad.'

My original intent was to point out with sarcasm how taking what this CEO said as anything more than a publicity stunt/icebreaker for employees looking to leave yahoo, is absolutely absurd. OP is a result of way too much naval gazing on a pretty cut and dry topic. Yahoo is acting the villain, so let's incentivize employees to leave them. I don't think anyone believes seriously that the CEO is either going to keep a big list, or start acting this way towards other valley companies. He is capitalizing on the hype surrounding yahoos use of the 'nuclear option.'

Implementation of such a system is riddled with flaws, as evidenced by the fact that the US still asks people [ with a straight face as well ] if they were a member of the Nazi party on current citizenship tests.

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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post #57
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is correct, but I would make an exception for the fine folk in Yahoo Research.

Seriously? How can you guys paint whole company with the same brush based on few candidates you interviewed? YUI team has some cool stuff under their belt. And how about Doug Crockford?

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Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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post #75
post #33

While it's a perfectly fine choice to ostracize Yahoo for their actions, Yammer's CEO is going to end up looking like little more than a hypocrite at the least, and maybe a dipshit, if he doesn't apply the same rules to all companies equally based on behavior. The odds the CEO will apply the same rule to all other companies acting with patent belligerence? Approximately zero. They'd need a substantial piece of tracki…

No he's not. The patent move isn't the only reason to frown on Yahoo employees. The company has been moving sideways for quite some time which is when good employees tend to leave for better opportunities.

Even if Yahoo has been on a downward spiral, it is foolish to think that all of the good people will leave. Even if you are good at what you do, trying to find a new job is a humiliating, degrading, and terrifying experience for many people.

I'm not a programmer (yet), but I work in a technical field that is currently experiencing a similar level of growth. Having worked for the same employer for over 9 years, it wasn't an easy decision to make when I decided to leave. Now that I am searching for a job in an industry where everyone claims to be facing a desperate shortage of qualified personnel, I find it rather difficult to convince someone to even grant me an interview.

It is far too easy to judge the actions of a family man who has a wife and kids to worry about when you are the CEO of your own company.

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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post #99

Oh, please! I like Yammer (especially Coda Hale's technical abilities), but this is ridiculous. I'm against software patents as much as the next hacker, but treating it like a mortal sin is preposterous. Corporations do far worse things to people and to society than sue other corporations for IP infringement. Drawing the line here, of all places, just shows Yammer's CEO's ethical cluelessness. But I guess he was just…

> Corporations do far worse things to people and to society than sue other corporations for IP infringement.

This isn't just unethical in a general sense. If it were, then yes, corporations do much worse.

The bigger issue is that Yahoo's move here threatens the entire software industry and specifically the internet. Yes, we already have massive patent battles in the mobile space. But they are fought over the selling of smartphones and tablets - hardware. Many of the relevant patents are software ones, so the distinction is not absolute, but at least they still happen in a clearly hardware-orientated space. The players all sell hardware and are already familiar with the patent game from hardware patents. It's bad there, don't get me wrong, but it is - for now - a controlled bad.

Whereas Yahoo's move here does not involve hardware. It doesn't even involve shipping any product at all or even selling one. It's a lawsuit over a website that is free for people to use - one of the most important forms of online business.

Imagine if patent warfare broke out on in the web space. It would be a massacre for big companies and startups alike. Everyone violates patents all the time, its impossible to avoid doing so. If such lawsuits are brought, they would devastate silicon valley. Yahoo's lawsuit here looks, worryingly, like it might be the first attack in such a war.

That's why people are so shocked and react so strongly - and rightly so. Pressuring companies that use software patents, and pressuring their employees to try to effect change internally or consider jumping ship, is something that makes sense for the software industry to do. To do otherwise would be suicidal. Only Intellectual Ventures and other patent holders win if patent warfare becomes commonplace on the internet.

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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I sincerely don't think Yammer would be able to absorb any significant part of Yahoo's workforce. That said, imagining Yahoos all over took his advice, the company would become a hollow shell with patents.

Does he even realize what kind of damage an NPE the size of Yahoo could make? I assume he knows his threats have no effect on the lawyers Yahoo pays to pursue such actions.

note: instead of a downvote, I'd appreciate constructive feedback or a discussion. You may like Yammer a lot, or even work for them, but I'm more interested on what did you find worthy of a downvote in my post.

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

#108

If I were a talented engineer, I would never apply to Yammer in the first place. (Yahoo employee here), I think its time these companies stop thinking so highly of themselves, the sad truth is everyone does patent litigation, fix the system before making sweeping statements or atleast be fair and blame everyone (apple, msft etc included) .There is a bias in the valley against yahoo, some of which is deserved most of…

You're not an engineer, or you're not talented? :)

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

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post #42

This seems a bit of a broad swath for my taste, as Yahoo is a big place, but when screening resumes, someone listing their software patents is an automatic strike 1 and 2 in my book.

I think it is a bit unfair as a policy, unless then used those patents themselves. While not ideal, right now it would be silly not to attempt to register defensive patents given the resources to do so.

It's okay - they still have one strike left :)

I list a patent on my CV.

Re: Yammer CEO won't hire anyone from Yahoo who doesn't quit in next 60 days

#110
This is really funny. He is asking people to leave without promising them a job. What's the downside of leaving - Risking visa, income etc. What's the downside of not leaving - Cannot be hired at Yammer at some future point :) Who cares in this hot job market.

Publicity stunts like this only fit Hollywood. Seems like we have a new culture in Silicon Valley.

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