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YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#31

I don't have watch history on, and I don't see a blank homepage. I still see a grid of videos from channels I've never watched. It doesn't say "recommendations" or anything, but I'm not sure what else it could be...

From the post: "We’re rolling these changes out slowly, over the next few months..."

Oh I see, thanks for the attention to detail :) The title should probably be changed, then, since it says "YouTube will now show..."

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#32

> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

> I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. What are you paying for, exactly? Youtube is already free. Actually wait, I don't want to know. I'm happy with my life, there's no way that knowing this will improve it.

no ads on non-browser devices (and browser based as they've taken stronger stances against ad-blockers).

The amount of ads I see people watch is ridiculous, I can't stand them at all anymore.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#33

> if you have YouTube watch history off and have no significant prior watch history I don't know what they consider to be "significant prior watch history". I have mine paused for nearly 4 years, and have spent a lot of time removing videos from my watch history to improve their recommendations. I've talked about it on HN before [1]. I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me o…

> I finally got around to subscribing to YouTube Premium, and they already burned me once by raising prices. What are you paying for, exactly? Youtube is already free. Actually wait, I don't want to know. I'm happy with my life, there's no way that knowing this will improve it.

I was previously in an apartment that had its own internet setup, using my Xbox to watch what was basically more ads than video. I don't think there's a way to set up a PiHole on their connection (maybe there is, but at the time a Raspberry Pi would cost more than a year's worth of YT Premium.. I was also not aware of NextDNS back then).

That, and Premium views apparently pay creators more than ad-supported views [1], so I justified it that way.

[1] https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=154

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#34

I turned off "watch history" just now, and the home page still shows me (personalized) recommendations--which makes me sad because I hoped this would an easy way for me to quit my bad habit of scanning the recommendations when I am bored. I used to welcome these recommendations, BTW, but they've been crap for the last 5 weeks or so.

Have you considered using an ublock origin filter?

    youtube.com##[page-subtype="home"]

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#35

I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of dark patterns involved in turning these settings off: https://myactivity.google.com/u/1/activitycontrols Disabling a setting asks if you also want to delete your history for that setting; if you say yes it shows a sample of what you're deleting, you confirm it, and it's done. Nothing tried to encourage me to stick around, keep my data, they could easily have let me…

If you open your google account settings, the very first section is labelled "privacy and personalization". If you click on that, the option to disable youtube watch history shows up. In terms of "dark patterns", they do have a nag prompt begging you to reenable watch history which shows up in the recommended videos section of a youtube video. The only way to disable this nag permanently is seemingly to block it with uB0.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why people get so upset over being recommended content. You can stick to the subscriptions tab. You can search YouTube from your browser (!yt in DDG) Somehow YouTube wronged you by doing…what exactly? Raising prices? And who didn’t raise prices?

It's just annoying a) not having control over how I want to consume my content, b) the fact that I spent all this time cleaning up my Google account history just for them to potentially throw water on my efforts, and c) I'm paying them for them to do this to me. To start off, I already lost two of my favourite ways to consume content this year: Flamingo for Twitter and Sync for Reddit (the latter thankfully resurrect…

> My current YT setup has been working perfectly fine for me to discover cool stuff.

This passage shines above the rest of the complaints, which feel more philosophical than tangible to me.

The HN consensus mostly just points out the opinion of a small and vocal community. M

In your screenshot you scrolled past the results to a different section of the page. Keep scrolling and you get more results (maybe that’s bad UI but again like you said it’s working perfectly).

It’s also notable that the more popular TV, tablet, and phone apps don’t work this way.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#37
post #34

I turned off "watch history" just now, and the home page still shows me (personalized) recommendations--which makes me sad because I hoped this would an easy way for me to quit my bad habit of scanning the recommendations when I am bored. I used to welcome these recommendations, BTW, but they've been crap for the last 5 weeks or so.

Have you considered using an ublock origin filter? youtube.com##[page-subtype="home"]

Thank you for that.

I had `||www.youtube.com/|`, but it didn't always work.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#38

This sounds like an improvement. I only ever view YouTube videos in a private browser, in order to avoid getting a screen full of personalized video recommendations based on whatever random thing I happened to look at last, but the generic recommendations are completely worthless. It would be nicer to skip the whole thing.

I only use private browsing when looking at stuff I need to look right now but that I don't want in my recommendations.

I find it's pretty easy to curate your YouTube recommendations like this.

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#39

I turned off "watch history" just now, and the home page still shows me (personalized) recommendations--which makes me sad because I hoped this would an easy way for me to quit my bad habit of scanning the recommendations when I am bored. I used to welcome these recommendations, BTW, but they've been crap for the last 5 weeks or so.

My self discipline hack was only navigating to my subscription feed, that way it "ends" and there is only a handful of videos to check each day.

But now they put Shorts into the subscription feed, a gateway into another endless feed. So I have blocked YT altogether until I can update my little chrome extension to remove them. When my executive function started to falter shorts could vacuum up so much of my attention. You can't remove them from that page either like you can on the homepage, and on the homepage you can only hide them for 30 days (why is that I wonder...)

Re: YouTube will now show a blank homepage if you don’t have watch history on

#40

YT users built their castles in the sands of the shores of a globalized megacorp. Time to find another platform more transparent about crap content and where corporate crap isn't given a soapbox.

To be fair, the content creators are building the castles, consumers just visit. If my favourite creators all build new castles somewhere else one day, I'd go there.
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