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Re: Ask HN: Career advice and what skills gave you the most leverage

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This is more of a meta skill, but "learning to learn" was a game changer for me. For a long time, I had approached learning in a set and done kind of way, i.e. I'd read and immerse myself on a new topic, declare I'd learned it and move on. But I realized that was not only wrong, but it was blinding me to my shortcomings. I took a few courses, and started testing myself regularly on new topics to overcome that blindsp…

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Try to find a place that actually teaches commission sales. As in once hired they send you out somewhere for two weeks or more of training. The skills they teach have been very helpful in getting better pay than co-workers and early promotions. You may have to apply the skills for a few weeks or months with actual customers. The deep end is car sales. 12hr days and the bottom sales person gets fired. Second option wo…

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I think that a combination or intersection of skills is often more valuable than a slightly deeper individual skill.

I was a “pretty good” programmer (I’ll estimate as top 10%), but am also a fairly good writer (I’ll estimate top 20% there). That combination has been quite valuable to companies I’ve worked at and for my family.

Find the intersection of valuable things where you excel or could excel.

Re: Ask HN: Career advice and what skills gave you the most leverage

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Uhh if you are a senior PM and you want to make >100k you should... apply to senior PM roles that pay >100k?

There are a ton out there, just spoof up your resume and start applying. High level PMs at FAANG make at least 200k base + a ton more with equity.

If the goal is to get more money, starting a whole new job path is a crazy choice, just find a senior PM role that pays more. If you hate PM that is a different discussion.

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Uhh if you are a senior PM and you want to make >100k you should... apply to senior PM roles that pay >100k? There are a ton out there, just spoof up your resume and start applying. High level PMs at FAANG make at least 200k base + a ton more with equity. If the goal is to get more money, starting a whole new job path is a crazy choice, just find a senior PM role that pays more. If you hate PM that is a different dis…

OP is a project manager. This is different than a product manager (which I think you're referring to) or a program manager. I don't think there are many $100K+ jobs for general project managers. My actual advice would be to switch to one of those other roles

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Job hopping comes with significant salary raise, that's usually the point. If your hop doesn't come with 20%+ raise, you just hopped wrong. After 1.5-2 years repeat. It compounds. It's not really skill dependent. I mean of course you need some skill, but the point is that the raise comes for the skill you already have, why the employers are willing to shell out more.

This is a common but unfortunately very narrow perspective. Frequent lateral moves can inch you upwards but asymptotically to a limit.

If project manager's in OP's area make $90K, no amount of job hopping is going to making him a $350K earner. Agree all else equal, better earn $95K than 90K but the better bet is to break out of that range.

Just lateral moves won't get you there. You need a different strategy.

Re: Ask HN: Career advice and what skills gave you the most leverage

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Uhh if you are a senior PM and you want to make >100k you should... apply to senior PM roles that pay >100k? There are a ton out there, just spoof up your resume and start applying. High level PMs at FAANG make at least 200k base + a ton more with equity. If the goal is to get more money, starting a whole new job path is a crazy choice, just find a senior PM role that pays more. If you hate PM that is a different dis…

OP is a project manager. This is different than a product manager (which I think you're referring to) or a program manager. I don't think there are many $100K+ jobs for general project managers. My actual advice would be to switch to one of those other roles

> I don't think there are many $100K+ jobs for general project managers

I hire project managers and I would say this is very location dependent and also very industry dependent. Find the right type of projects in the right industry and $100,000 should be very very achievable in a medium-cost-of-living city. It should be a no-brainer in NYC or SF.

That said, again depending on industry and type of projects, there’s a lot of risk in switching jobs for 20% more salary. How long until those projects dry up and you’re first out the door?

Re: Ask HN: Career advice and what skills gave you the most leverage

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I think that a combination or intersection of skills is often more valuable than a slightly deeper individual skill. I was a “pretty good” programmer (I’ll estimate as top 10%), but am also a fairly good writer (I’ll estimate top 20% there). That combination has been quite valuable to companies I’ve worked at and for my family. Find the intersection of valuable things where you excel or could excel.

Wholeheartedly agree.

One underlining here is it's easy to fake experience in an individual domain ("yeah, I know python. I read like 2 books.") but you can't fake experience in multiple, pointed domains ("yeah, I used python to manage a fleet of clown cars for the Hertz-Barnum merger").

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> although I’m senior level

This means way less than you think it does.

If you’ve just been working at some company that hands out senior titles like candy, it’s not worth much. If you really are senior level you need a good story to show that to people you’re interviewing with.

Re: Ask HN: Career advice and what skills gave you the most leverage

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Disclaimer: Probably not highly compensated by hackernews standards (ie I'm still working), but I am well above the threshold you cite. Have been doing this since ~1993, and ... I wouldn't change anything. Had a few wins along the way You say you are a PM - have you done both greenfield (aka "primary software construction") and looking at how to deploy/tune a canned application (like Salesforce)? I think they are mat…

> security and compliance (which are not the same thing)

So much this.

I'd hesitate to even call them adjacent.

Compliance is nothing more than a set of checkboxes. It won't stop your developers from writing `sql.query("select * from users where username = '" + username + "'`.

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