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I'll say it though I expect violent downmoderation: Rust is way too political for me to ever consider using it for anything real. I've been starting to worry the same about python too (and really all of software) but Rust and Mozilla have that vibe of wanting to go way beyond software development and into identity politics, and it's dangerous to have dependencies with those priorities. Especially in AI because there'…
It's cool that this is coming from huggingface and it isn't just someone's hobby project. Rust is in a weird place where people are trying to push it in a bunch of places where it doesn't belong naturally (web dev, data science) but then when you complain that it's difficult to use you get told that you're using the wrong language for your use case... I really want to like Rust - I've read the Rust book, done the Rus…
It may just be for different people, not sure. I'm a Rust fanatic, i use it for everything, including web dev. We even have a shop full of similar Rust folks. Personally it's my most productive language, and this is after years in Python, NodeJS, and ~5 years Go. Which isn't to attempt to invalidate your experience. But i do think: > writing Rust is a slog where you have to jump through hoops and spend a lot more tim…
That is incredible. It's like being able to carve- and install a door from a slab of wood faster than installing a prefabricated door.
It's cool that this is coming from huggingface and it isn't just someone's hobby project. Rust is in a weird place where people are trying to push it in a bunch of places where it doesn't belong naturally (web dev, data science) but then when you complain that it's difficult to use you get told that you're using the wrong language for your use case... I really want to like Rust - I've read the Rust book, done the Rus…
I'll say it though I expect violent downmoderation: Rust is way too political for me to ever consider using it for anything real. I've been starting to worry the same about python too (and really all of software) but Rust and Mozilla have that vibe of wanting to go way beyond software development and into identity politics, and it's dangerous to have dependencies with those priorities. Especially in AI because there'…
Despite all the drama that happens every second month, I'm still "Rust curious". Working with Rust is fun, and I hope it will be my main language in my next job. You are not the first that noticed the overly political nature of the Rust "community", not a coincidence that we see a blue haired individual in this skit https://youtu.be/TGfQu0bQTKc I didn't downvote you, but you might be downvoted not because you are wro…
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It may just be for different people, not sure. I'm a Rust fanatic, i use it for everything, including web dev. We even have a shop full of similar Rust folks. Personally it's my most productive language, and this is after years in Python, NodeJS, and ~5 years Go. Which isn't to attempt to invalidate your experience. But i do think: > writing Rust is a slog where you have to jump through hoops and spend a lot more tim…
So if you take a Python program and you add the mental effort of having to deal with static types, lifetimes, the borrow checker and performance considerations, and this added mental effort actually allows you to write the program faster? That is incredible. It's like being able to carve- and install a door from a slab of wood faster than installing a prefabricated door.
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It may just be for different people, not sure. I'm a Rust fanatic, i use it for everything, including web dev. We even have a shop full of similar Rust folks. Personally it's my most productive language, and this is after years in Python, NodeJS, and ~5 years Go. Which isn't to attempt to invalidate your experience. But i do think: > writing Rust is a slog where you have to jump through hoops and spend a lot more tim…
So if you take a Python program and you add the mental effort of having to deal with static types, lifetimes, the borrow checker and performance considerations, and this added mental effort actually allows you to write the program faster? That is incredible. It's like being able to carve- and install a door from a slab of wood faster than installing a prefabricated door.
It's cool that this is coming from huggingface and it isn't just someone's hobby project. Rust is in a weird place where people are trying to push it in a bunch of places where it doesn't belong naturally (web dev, data science) but then when you complain that it's difficult to use you get told that you're using the wrong language for your use case... I really want to like Rust - I've read the Rust book, done the Rus…
It'll never not have a trade-off! But there are some things that can make it easier in many cases: - Copy structs- ownership issues vanish when things can be bitwise-copied - .clone()- don't be afraid to clone outside of hot loops! If allocations are a problem, look at using Rc instead of Box where applicable - Pure functions/methods- you don't need mutable references if you aren't mutating things - Macros- reduce bo…
But I hope to get a suggestion for switching to the ext language in the real life. Like I’m quite proficient with swift language, I’m making money with it for years, so I consider my proficient comes not just from general computer science knowledge, but it comes from the getting o know the environment as well. Like I known the sdt lib, I know common caveats with the project, I have a pretty much experience it’s it after all.
And so I’ve tried rust. I mean it’s fantastic, it have awesome tooling, concise syntax and well crafted design, but I barely could write script with it. And I’m seeing clearly that this will lasts for a year or something, and even then I’ll suck at it towards an average senior dev focused on it a way beefier me.
So I really can’t crack it myself, like how do you folks switching to a new lang to get paid for it?
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It'll never not have a trade-off! But there are some things that can make it easier in many cases: - Copy structs- ownership issues vanish when things can be bitwise-copied - .clone()- don't be afraid to clone outside of hot loops! If allocations are a problem, look at using Rc instead of Box where applicable - Pure functions/methods- you don't need mutable references if you aren't mutating things - Macros- reduce bo…
Maybe I’m a bit ate for the party. But I hope to get a suggestion for switching to the ext language in the real life. Like I’m quite proficient with swift language, I’m making money with it for years, so I consider my proficient comes not just from general computer science knowledge, but it comes from the getting o know the environment as well. Like I known the sdt lib, I know common caveats with the project, I have…
Personally I don't think it's worth trying to predict which technologies will be the most valuable and learning them based on that, unless you're struggling to make money right now. It sounds like Swift is working great as a money-maker for you right now, so I recommend just following your interests outside of that! Maybe they'll lead to another money-maker, maybe they won't and that's okay
I don't see Rust eating any domains outside of low-level systems development anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry that you're going to get left behind or something. It's not going to make Swift, or JavaScript, or Python, or Java, or Go, or many other things obsolete
It's cool that this is coming from huggingface and it isn't just someone's hobby project. Rust is in a weird place where people are trying to push it in a bunch of places where it doesn't belong naturally (web dev, data science) but then when you complain that it's difficult to use you get told that you're using the wrong language for your use case... I really want to like Rust - I've read the Rust book, done the Rus…
I can attest to this. I really think it depends on your background and what your project is. Rust has a lot of baggage from it's use in systems programming that many folks coming from C++ already know, and a lot of strange functional programming things that ML-family language folks already know, so there's just a lot of new things crammed together. Now add move-by-default semantics, and tight restrictions on pointers…
I suspect they'll be great for a subset of the things that makes Rust great. There's probably a bunch of essential complexity that can't be hand waved around via a "smarter compiler" at least at this point in time (I'm not saying Rust is as simple as it could be, but I suspect there's no order of magnitude improvement while fulfilling the niche that it occupies).
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Prototype in Python, but scale in Rust. I do a lot of AI Engineering in Python, but production Data Engineering, and Feature Engineering workloads are done in parallel with Rust. Simple and Fast. You can even make custom-made python modules with a Rust core when Numpy matrices are not enough to crack your graph-traversing problem efficiently ! (Thanks PyO3 and Maturin)
> Prototype in Python, but scale in Rust. Not even. Some people start building big systems with Java or Go. It's entirely appropriate to start in Rust too once you're more proficient in it.
For anything that is not related to DS/ML/Opt, yes, start with Rust. I had tremendous success with distributed Rust microservices using ZeroMQ for backbone communication.