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Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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I spend too much time on HN to read or watch the news but when I do I generally limit myself to a quick skim of these sites

https://theconversation.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

https://text.npr.org

https://www.newsminimalist.com

https://ground.news

https://sumi.news

https://www.freshnews.org

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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I was recently listening to a podcast recapping a television show set in the early 2000s, where a current college aged student basically said "I wish I had the experience of being a teenager in that time period - it seemed much simpler as you weren't aware of every bad thing that was happening around the world" And that's really the way it used to be. It was even better before 24 hour news networks, as your evening n…

The issue is that political aspects of the news are simply too entrenched at this point. My mechanism for changing it used to be my single vote (that's useless), but the other was expressing views with people I knew to change how they think on things. But nobody listens, or it's drowned out, or I don't even get to talk to people with other views, or nobody is undecided anymore.

I'll try to avoid being political here with Trump. Trump was a deconstruction of old guard media and the illusions they put up with the political process. He reduced political campaigning to almost pure media events and games, with almost no substance for the right or the left (except outrage or adulation).

As part of that, old media like CNN that tries to keep the trappings of authoritative news delivery have been thoroughly "pantsed". Everyone knows you are stupid if you accept what newspeople tell you at face value (unless they are telling you things you already agree with emotionally).

I'd like to note, I view myself primarily as a environmentalist, and the corollary to that is I feel I have no political party. The right is outright hostile to it, the left is duplicitous and non-supportive of it.

Social media has corralled everyone into echo chambers, and then added a massive amount of cacophony to drown out any real conversation.

But practically everyone is dealing with this for whatever they care about. Social media has highlighted how little we can do, yet amped up the education about a lot of shadow stuff that used to be completely hidden.

Anyway, now I watch sports "news" and let the social stuff bleed in.

The real question is if the internet has made people smarter as a whole. I believe the internet of the last 30 years has made almost everyone smarter. What will the next 30 years look like?

But it took 30 years for non-internet corporations and governments/politicians to "figure out" the internet on a fundamental level. IMO the Trump election was the first example of that. Control and corralling of information with echo chambers has changed things.

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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The single biggest problem with America today is the presentation and consumption of national news, political commentary and public policy as entertainment. The media has figured out that America is the ultimate reality TV show and they present it as such. Cable TV and the internet are to blame for this. I don't know what could be done about it. But we'd be way better off if "the news" was something you could watch f…

"with the same care and thoughtfulness that goes into rooting for your favorite NFL team" While true, I can't help but think everyone who says that is talking about "other people" (mostly people on the other side but maybe a few from my side) or "other news sources" (mostly ones from the other side that I don't watch and maybe a few isolated examples on my side).

I think most of us realise that "our side" is just as likely as the other side... We all recognize the problem, it's just that we differ on what we believe are ideal solutions. In the end, the breakdown of actual compromise on most issues is the result and it's bad for anyone without the pocketbook to overcome the issue, politically speaking.

Some of us are mostly adjacent. I'm a right-leaning libertarian. I actually dislike when people refer to modern progressives as "liberal" as it's pretty insulting to classic liberals who also aren't into where progressives have gone. I never voted for Trump, don't really like him. I have to admit, I did/do enjoy how worked up those with TDS get about him though. But it's completely hyperbolic on both ends, and there's more dishonesty about the man than from the man.

Many people want the establishment out... the problem is, as above, that there are several camps of what people believe should prevail in terms of direction... so no traction gains and the establishment wins. I'm thinking more people on either side should start voting for more anti-establishment candidates all around. They may be a bit cooky, but in the end, if they're willing to negotiate we could see better outcomes overall that at least try to serve the people and not the establishment insiders.

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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The current state of media seems to be mired in several alarming trends that are undermining its integrity and value to the public.

First and foremost, there appears to be a conspicuous lack of innovation, with many outlets relying on reprinting or repackaging press releases, tweets, or even direct government propaganda rather than delivering original content. This absence of creativity is closely tied to a perceived decline in quality, with some journalism bordering on mere repetition rather than insightful analysis.

Furthermore, there is a troubling lack of serious investigation and critical thought by reporters, which is essential for a functioning democracy.

Lastly, some media figures seem to be increasingly out of touch with the real issues, sometimes even bordering on activism rather than unbiased reporting.

The reluctance of traditional media companies to fully embrace the opportunities provided by the internet has led to significant consequences. By failing to innovate and adapt to the digital landscape, they lost out on revenue streams such as job postings and classifieds.

More than that, their continued reliance on outdated business models has resulted in products that often resemble mere copy-paste versions of their former selves. This lack of adaptation has left a vacuum in the market, allowing platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and others to fill the gaps.

It's going to take a major shift in thinking for the news media to make up for 30 years of lost time in terms of innovation and survive as social media matures as a service.

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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post #4

The single biggest problem with America today is the presentation and consumption of national news, political commentary and public policy as entertainment. The media has figured out that America is the ultimate reality TV show and they present it as such. Cable TV and the internet are to blame for this. I don't know what could be done about it. But we'd be way better off if "the news" was something you could watch f…

I'd argue the biggest problem is the leveraging of all forms of mass media to psychologically manipulate the public.

I have to agree, and some have even said the quiet parts out loud... and that there wasn't broad-spread outcry is somewhat terrifying to me. I don't care what side you're on, I disagree with many on most things. This is frankly a terrifying, and somewhat delusional, precedent.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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I was recently listening to a podcast recapping a television show set in the early 2000s, where a current college aged student basically said "I wish I had the experience of being a teenager in that time period - it seemed much simpler as you weren't aware of every bad thing that was happening around the world" And that's really the way it used to be. It was even better before 24 hour news networks, as your evening n…

> it seemed much simpler as you weren't aware of every bad thing that was happening around the world I strongly disagree with that. I wasn't exactly a teenager back then (past 30 already), but in the 80s and 90s, news papers over here informed you about happenings in the entire world, and social developments in my own country, and neighboring countries (what you exactly got depended on the news paper, as they ranged…

That assumes you even read the newspaper... when I was a kid, I had a paper route for a couple years. Only about 1/3 of houses got the paper, and not everyone even read it every day. Often only a couple cover articles, and maybe the 5pm or 10/11pm news. It was a relatively narrow window into only the most pressing issues of a given day.

Today, you look at twitter and see a massive range of news from populist minutia of what a celebrity said/wore, or every single military engagement in Ukraine. The gulf war in Iraq was probably the first 24/7 news cycle engagement in human history for any significant number of people.

I also agree on quality degradation. There is both more editorialization and lower quality writing all around. In addition to personal narratives all around.

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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"with the same care and thoughtfulness that goes into rooting for your favorite NFL team" While true, I can't help but think everyone who says that is talking about "other people" (mostly people on the other side but maybe a few from my side) or "other news sources" (mostly ones from the other side that I don't watch and maybe a few isolated examples on my side).

I think most of us realise that "our side" is just as likely as the other side... We all recognize the problem, it's just that we differ on what we believe are ideal solutions. In the end, the breakdown of actual compromise on most issues is the result and it's bad for anyone without the pocketbook to overcome the issue, politically speaking. Some of us are mostly adjacent. I'm a right-leaning libertarian. I actually…

i agree 100%, i feel like in the venn diagram of politics there is a lot of overlap but its just more fun/engaging/dopamine to focus on the outside crescents i guess... which serves the divide/conquer goals of the establishment.

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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> That opinions pdf on supremecourt.gov is 237 pages long. I need to read multiple news articles and then a novel just to have an opinion on something now? That's cool, I just won't then. It's incredibly hard to have a conversation on a complex legal document if you do not read the legal document.

"It's incredibly hard to have a conversation on a complex legal document if you do not read the legal document." On HN, not only is it easy, it's standard operating procedure... /s, but not really...

"nuance" and "exactness" may be decreased, but the ideas remain true

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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That's good to hear. I haven't watched cable or OTA TV for around 15 years at this point so I don't have a good idea of what it's like these days, except for that time ~5 years ago when I tried plugging in an antenna to see what I could pick up but immediately lost interest after being reminded how much time ads take up on OTA TV channels.

The ads are undoubtedly the worst part. During local news it’s terrible/obnoxious furniture companies and national news is 100% drug commercials.

frankly, the ads are the least bad part. at least ads are honest in their intention

Re: Do you avoid the news? You’re in growing company

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> Cable TV and the internet are to blame for this. Is it a supply issue, or a demand issue? If people didn't want want it in the first place, would the producers bother to make it? We've had salacious media for a long time: > Scandal sheets were the precursors to tabloid journalism. Around 1770, scandal sheets appeared in London, and in the United States as early as the 1840s.[4] Reverend Henry Bate Dudley was the ed…

Both, really. As technology has created new and broader reaching mediums, the people operating those mediums have changed their target audience to support their existence.

as human nature is more understood, human nature adapts to better exploit^Wcater to human nature
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