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Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #6

I dislike banks as much as anyone else. But does it bother anyone else to see rules changed around? Wouldn't it be a better approach to tell people/corporations how they're gonna be taxed?

I mean, they kind of are. You might call it an ex post facto telling, but there you have it. I'd prefer everyone jumped on board and did it everywhere so there was no FAFO necessary.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #6

I dislike banks as much as anyone else. But does it bother anyone else to see rules changed around? Wouldn't it be a better approach to tell people/corporations how they're gonna be taxed?

Behavior changes, circumstances change, laws change. And thus entropy continues.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #6

I dislike banks as much as anyone else. But does it bother anyone else to see rules changed around? Wouldn't it be a better approach to tell people/corporations how they're gonna be taxed?

According to the article the Finance minister rejected the hike but it was passed anyway.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #5
post #3

Unsurprisingly, highly regulated sectors like banking where entering is extremely hard display cartel like behaviors. There is no incentive coming from the competition so why would anyone lower the net interest margin. In this context, I think a windfall tax somehow makes sense. Then again, I'm pretty sure it's going to be misused by the government. I would much rather see regulation forcing banks to raise interest r…

> I would much rather see regulation forcing banks to raise interest rate on deposits Regulation that increases competition would be even better. It seems like that would be the underlying problem.

But what does regulation that makes it easier to start a bank look like?

It seems hard to do without reducing requirements for cash on hand which, which can be a disaster.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would much rather see regulation forcing banks to raise interest rate on deposits Regulation that increases competition would be even better. It seems like that would be the underlying problem.

Regulation is what prevents competition so...

That is fairly shortsighted. Regulation also prevents customers from being defrauded. Beyond that, antitrust action is regulation but it increases competition.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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Can we have energy companies next? Pocketing record profits during this situation is just disgusting.

If there are no windfall profits during boom times, are you equally onboard with subsidies during lean times?

If the banks are doing something predatory then that behavior should be stopped. Not being able to define it and then seizing an arbitrary portion of the profits isn’t going to stop it in the future. Hell, since profit is after expense, they can increase CEO salaries to reduce it and be taxed less!

Plus if the “crime” here is fleecing depositors with interest rate spreads, they should make them pay that arbitrary percentage to each depositor based on their pro rata share over the coarse of the year.

Otherwise you’re taking some pensioners’ low savings account interest and giving it to away to someone else entirely.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

#17
post #6

I dislike banks as much as anyone else. But does it bother anyone else to see rules changed around? Wouldn't it be a better approach to tell people/corporations how they're gonna be taxed?

Yes. We should keep privatisation of profit and nationalization of losses.

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #16

Can we have energy companies next? Pocketing record profits during this situation is just disgusting.

If there are no windfall profits during boom times, are you equally onboard with subsidies during lean times? If the banks are doing something predatory then that behavior should be stopped. Not being able to define it and then seizing an arbitrary portion of the profits isn’t going to stop it in the future. Hell, since profit is after expense, they can increase CEO salaries to reduce it and be taxed less! Plus if th…

Have banks not been bailed out?

Re: Italy approves 40% windfall tax on banks for 2023 as profits soar

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post #16

Can we have energy companies next? Pocketing record profits during this situation is just disgusting.

If there are no windfall profits during boom times, are you equally onboard with subsidies during lean times? If the banks are doing something predatory then that behavior should be stopped. Not being able to define it and then seizing an arbitrary portion of the profits isn’t going to stop it in the future. Hell, since profit is after expense, they can increase CEO salaries to reduce it and be taxed less! Plus if th…

> are you equally onboard with subsidies during lean times?

The problem is that these companies do receive subsidies during lean times, in both energy and banking fields, whether you want it or not. They are too important to be let to fail, and the governments will either subsidize them, bail them out or just plain nationalize them. In the case of Greece banking crisis, they nationalized the losses of foreign banks...

So a windfall tax makes sense in these industries, maybe in others too.

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