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Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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you forgot the shitcoinery - there is a token, with a premine, unfairly distributed. the VCs that invested (SBF, a16z,etc) will benefit disproportionately. it’s a scam.

There are legitimate reasons to premine, and creating a token with the intention of using it as a channel for UBI (literally giving money away) doesn't really scream "scam" to me considering the people backing it

Backers [0] like a16z [1], Coinbase [2], Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) [3], Three Arrows Capital (3AC) [4], Digital Currency Group (DCG) [5]?

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin...

[1]: https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501

[2]: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_c...

[4]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-11/three-arr...

[5]: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-g...

much wow, very legit

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are legitimate reasons to premine, and creating a token with the intention of using it as a channel for UBI (literally giving money away) doesn't really scream "scam" to me considering the people backing it

Backers [0] like a16z [1], Coinbase [2], Sam Bankman-Fried (SBF) [3], Three Arrows Capital (3AC) [4], Digital Currency Group (DCG) [5]? [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20211021160923/https://worldcoin... [1]: https://twitter.com/KyleSGibson/status/1511065326624063501 [2]: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2023-102 [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bankman-Fried#Arrest_and_c... [4]: https://www.bloomberg.co…

maybe worldcoin is just another unregistered security offering, launched on dubious exchanges like Binance, to ensure the backers can pump and dump their shitcoins on retail to meet liquidity issues elsewhere?

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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My last trip to Kenya I got stopped by the police at the airport for a bribe for some stupid made up stuff. I expect this is mostly a shake down for bribe money.

I'm also a happy WorldCoin user. I think a lot of people who want it shut down are kind of miseries that don't like seeing other stuff being successful.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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post #261

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It doesn't create or track identities. It creates a unique hash of your iris and can only use it to determine if your iris has been scanned before. Nothing else.

Biometrics as private keys are an absolutely horrible idea as it is. Proposing to use that private key as your one true interface to the digital financial world is ever more insane. The idea that proprietary technology and information(the scanners, software and everything that the organization owns) can somehow make this safe and secure is evil.

They don't do that

"private keys are randomly generated, completely independent of any biometric information, and each other."

from their docs

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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post #45

I really don't want to have anything to do with crypto, and the fact that Sam Altman is pushing it in 2023 makes both him and OpenAI look sketchy. Especially crypto with a weird biometric eye scanner.

Yeah, if I talk to a 'normie' and explain that chatGPT and OpenAI are nefariously plotting regulatory capture most will roll their eyes at me. If I say "The founder of OpenAI is scanning people's eyeballs to build a database" that sets off real alarm bells.

Yeah but "scanning people's eyeballs to build a database" is untrue. You can scare a lot of people by telling them untrue stuff.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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> On Thursday, Worldcoin said it is planning to implement crowd-control measures and collaborate with the government before resuming work. What does this even mean?

In essence, they aspire to be a Palantir competitor. CIA as a Service

I don't think so.

It seems more about having the world's largest financial network.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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post #201

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That is an argument against it. If they already solved the problem with mobile payments adding blockchain to the mix doesnt add any value.

That's up to users to decide, isn't it? Many people appreciate payments the state cannot arbitrarily censor. Blockchains are good at this.

Most people don't care what technology is used.

"many" people in your argument is more likely a "minority"

Most people care about the rule of law, payment systems that subvert this possibility are not desired by "many" people

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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post #133

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Neat, so are all world governments going to band together and implement UBI? Do you really think that waiting for all world governments to come together and figure this out is the right move here? I admire the optimism (I think of myself as a pretty optimistic person too), but you've got to realize that there are reasonable people on this planet who think that waiting for governments to fix this is probably not going…

There won't be UBI. There's work and death. And if AI truly replaces us, it's the latter. I'm not trying to be cynical I'm simply being blunt about how systems work. You and your environment have to "click together" so you live. In the wild, this means mostly surviving cold, hot, stay dry, find things to eat, and not be eaten. In society, however, it means being useful to the system somehow, so you get access to othe…

> With [_____] however, the overall trend would be you don't need the masses as much, so you don't need to placate most of them. They stop being useful.

{mechanical looms,mechanized farming,factory mass production,computerized tabulation,AI}

This has been the progression of economies since steam power after ~1720.

Automation replaces a category of work, everyone decrees the loss of jobs, workers reallocate into new jobs, everyone is the richer for the increased output, repeat.

The only version of this that is substantially different would be 'AI eliminates all jobs below an education threshold, while not creating sufficient surpluses via efficiency gains that they can be supported by welfare'.

Ultimately, I predict UBI is going to look a lot like more general food stamps: standardized basic goods are free, and sufficient for {food, shelter, entertainment}.

We have the industrial capability now, if we so chose.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Um, "personhood" and currency aren't anything like the main functions of a government. If you had everything Worldcoin wants to do, it still wouldn't replace any governments.

Try and think what else the government has. Police, military? All those are second order effects. Think how the government controls those institutions. Money & the ability to spend it as a person or an organization. If you control people's legal existence in your own monetary system without alternatives, means all the government has will become yours. This is how the USD works by the way (in systems like the petro-do…

Money is also a second order effect.

It stems from human tax base (after we mostly eliminated direct government capital ownership when we did away with monarchies).

And human tax base ultimately stems from... the ability to count. Which is the identity question.

People. Assets. Productivity. Profit.

A government which lacks the ability to count cannot have a stable tax base, which increases stability risk and therefore decreases the value of their money.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Crypto schemes allow a lot of experimentation with the structure of money that no sane government would ever try for fear of crashing their economy in one way or another. Meanwhile, we /should/ be experimenting a lot more with the structure of economics and society, because the current super-structures have created massive concentrations of power and seemingly-insurmountable collective action problems that threaten t…

KYC is a thing and apparently crypto exchanges can implement it when asked nicely. But I think grand parent poster is right on the money, it’s a attempts to take governments roles. After all nation states are not that old of a concept. Basically Napoleonic wars. Some type of distopian corporate nationality might come to fruition to replace them.

There's the possibility of utopian corporate nationality too.

Being an employee at a lot of corporations is nicer than being a citizen of a lot of counties.

But corporate benevolence mostly demands on human capital supply and demand balances.

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