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Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by nocoiner »

MobileVet wrote: post #30
keddad wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I flew from Moscow to Vladivastok recently, and it's a choice between 8 hour flight and a week in a train. The planes might be missing some maintenance, but they are certainly not falling out of the skies, and it's not like the trains can't fail (especially considering occasional train tracks sabotages). There are always risks, it's not that big of a deal.

I first heard about Vladivastok when The Hunt for Red October came out. I have been fascinated with it ever since, hoping to make a journey someday. I love that this was just a mundane trip for you.

I hate to possibly be the bearer of bad news, but I can’t think of any plot points in that movie that involved Vladivostok. The action all took place in the Barents Sea and North Atlantic, after Red October left Murmansk through the Polyarnny Inlet. Vladivostok is on the other side of the country, many, many time zones away.

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Post by saiya-jin »

throwaway290 wrote: post #273
piskov wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story looks like a penny dreadful of “Russia is doomed” series. 1. There’s no info on that Russian slide about actual planes flying without any breaks at all. There’s a manufacturer defined minimum equipment list that allows planes to have some breaks (actual number depends on the type of a plane) disabled for, let’s say, 10 days at the most. This is absolutely normal as planes cannot be serviced constantly (they…

As a Russian I'd say this guy lives in some other country. Probably imaginary. Based on how little reality there is in the comment I would not believe comments about airplane brakes either... Not a single person I know much less their kids has "foreign crypto virtual cards" etc. Ofc even if they had they would be locked out of transacting with any serious business that doesn't take crypto. The exodus is real, ask Arm…

I am sure what you describe is your real situation, but there may be more complexity. Its not like 30% of russian population left, rather less than 1% overall. 1 million in 150 million nation is a drop in the bucket. I am pretty sure russian state is able to draft another few millions into meat grinder of Ukraine without a blink of an eye. 1 thing eastern Europe is good at is avoiding official rules and finding ways to get forbidden stuff, some historical experience there.

Also, you have places where russian propaganda (be it fsb, gru or subcontracted to wagner's troll farms) in past 2 decades was very effective in making non-trivial part of population firmly on Putin's side (and also anti-vax, anti-EU and so on in usual divide-and-conquer psyops manner).

I mean, back home in my backwater Slovakia some recent polls showed 50% support of russian invasion in their neighbour. In the nation which was enslaved for 4 decades and occupied for 2 decades by soviet union and damaged beyond repair due to this, with usual shooting/electrocuting people on the borders trying to just run away, secret police arresting non-conforming people, snitching etc. It's... mostly less smart part of population for sure, but still.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by stef25 »

eesmith wrote: post #300
ramesh31 wrote: post #245

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>There is a possibility the brakes are still available and not worn through, and this is a preemptive measure to leave enough brake material to handle an emergency rejected takeoff while avoiding "unnecessary" braking on landing by using the reversers instead. The brake question is irrelevent. This will put unimaginable stress on the already taxed engines, which are orders of magnitude more expensive and complex to m…

> unimaginable stress It's quite imaginable. Already "most of the work of stopping a commercial aircraft is done through the use of thrust reversers", so it's not all that more than they do now. > We can't see the fact that the engines are about to explode, There's nothing magical about thrust reversers which make it impossible to inspect for increased engine wear and tear.

Is it kind of like shifting down gears in a car to slow down?

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by saiya-jin »

prennert wrote: post #287
Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #270

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There will, of course, be absolutely no foreign debris on any Russian runways ever, even the ones crudely hacked from the taiga! Looking forward to the operator guidelines on why flying on one engine is required in the near future.

Due to the routes they are left to fly, debris will most likely be Russian. But I bet in case of an incident, propaganda will definitely declare it as foreign debris.

Evil capitalistic debris deployed from high orbit to destabilize Mother russia.

Just like in 50s there was massive campaign against Colorado potato beetle, which was presented as being dropped from evil capitalistic American planes to harm crops... although the bug was already in Europe for decades and spreading eastwards on its own.

The thing is, these propaganda campaigns are often quite successful, many people back there still believe this is what happened.

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Post by nocoiner »

aeternum wrote: post #222

For those wondering, this is what US/anti-Russia propaganda looks like.

Russian propaganda: “We must invade a sovereign nation to eliminate the Nazis and implement a program of de-Nazification through vigorous ethnic cleansing!”

US propaganda: “Russian airlines are unreliable and are making some questionable maintenance decisions.”

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by saiya-jin »

samtho wrote: post #256
kelnos wrote: post #211

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Sure, but those types of things are stopgap measures that work in a normal, unsanctioned market. Like, they need a part now , but there's none available in the maintenance hangar (or whatever), and it would take a few days to order one, so they ask another airline at the same airport to float/sell them the part. Once the ordered part arrives, they're back to their usual number of parts. In this case, Aeroflot just ca…

> or unless someone local can manufacture them to the correct specs This will likely happen except for the correct specs part. Sure, it will be manufactured to fit, but it likely won’t be able to be made to the same standard as the official Boeing part. The impact of this could be absolutely nothing, or maybe Aeroflot planes just end up on runway excursions more often. It could also lead to catastrophic failure and s…

Aeroflot was widely regarded as worst international airline (on par with say Nepal airlines but for very different reasons) way before any invasion started. Typical russian mentality and alcoholism is simply not a good match to highly structured and regulated environment of very complex machinery.

Everybody I know tried hard when travelling from Europe to Asia to avoid using them, even when they were often the cheapest.

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Post by holoduke »

throwaway290 wrote: post #273
piskov wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story looks like a penny dreadful of “Russia is doomed” series. 1. There’s no info on that Russian slide about actual planes flying without any breaks at all. There’s a manufacturer defined minimum equipment list that allows planes to have some breaks (actual number depends on the type of a plane) disabled for, let’s say, 10 days at the most. This is absolutely normal as planes cannot be serviced constantly (they…

As a Russian I'd say this guy lives in some other country. Probably imaginary. Based on how little reality there is in the comment I would not believe comments about airplane brakes either... Not a single person I know much less their kids has "foreign crypto virtual cards" etc. Ofc even if they had they would be locked out of transacting with any serious business that doesn't take crypto. The exodus is real, ask Arm…

Sorry but i have to comment. Hackernews should not be political but still. In Russia there is currently an all time high support from the current regime. The small moscow bubble you are referring to isnt remotely representing the common Russians. Most of that bubble was anti regime before the war anyway. Braindrain? You know how many Indians and other nations are currently immigrating to Russia? Tech is booming right now in Russia. Factories are opening everywhere. The whole country is ramping up production. There seem to be unlimited funds (Chinese, Isreal) Investers are pumping a lot of money into the country. The country is in 100% war mode. It is convinced that it cannot lose the war in Ukraine. And they are probably right. And not everyone hates Russians btw.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by berkes »

reacharavindh wrote: post #3

How in the world would any common Russian trust an airplane in this current sanctioned state in Russia and fly in one?! Are people that brainwashed to trust their leader to get on a plane that doesn’t have brakes?!

I won't be surprised if the narrative within Russia reframes this to "Western airplanes are inferior to Russian planes. So for your security we have grounded all Boeings and Airbuses" in near future.

I can only hope this happens before western planes start dropping out of the sky due to missing parts.

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Post by berkes »

anticodon wrote: post #87
throwawaysleep wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life matters not there. Not in war. Not in peace. Not in travel. Not in home. Most Western countries obsess about proventing deaths. The USA does as well, except among poor people and gun victims.

Any proof? How many civil plane catastrophes happened in Russia in the last 1.5 years?

Well, there was at least one civilian aircraft shot out of the sky by Russians.

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Post by throwaway290 »

holoduke wrote: post #307
throwaway290 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Russian I'd say this guy lives in some other country. Probably imaginary. Based on how little reality there is in the comment I would not believe comments about airplane brakes either... Not a single person I know much less their kids has "foreign crypto virtual cards" etc. Ofc even if they had they would be locked out of transacting with any serious business that doesn't take crypto. The exodus is real, ask Arm…

Sorry but i have to comment. Hackernews should not be political but still. In Russia there is currently an all time high support from the current regime. The small moscow bubble you are referring to isnt remotely representing the common Russians. Most of that bubble was anti regime before the war anyway. Braindrain? You know how many Indians and other nations are currently immigrating to Russia? Tech is booming right…

I have never been to Moscow but I'd guess many of the shielded comfortable 0.1% who live there are people who care the least. They know what's happening is bad but they are "above politics" (that is, supporting the regime by default) and will be until s*t hits the fan. See prices for flights from Moscow to Tbilisi on the day of Prigozhin debacle...

And the other side is people elsewhere in Russia who are not above politics but whose politics are based on watching TV.

The remaining people may well be a minority. Perhaps more than half of people support Putin. That's why it's futile to change from below, if thinking people want revolution they would have to fight their own zombie neighbor first.

Ramping up production, factories every day, not gonna lose to Ukraine smells like another dose of fantasy agitprop itt but I'm v curious to hear more about Israel funding!

And you misread my comment, at least regarding Russian hate by Westerners. I do not see Western people hating Russians in any meaningful way. But I see Russians definitely thinking so. Because that's the image Putin wants them to have. Us vs them.

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