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Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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Naive question, and I hope someone more knowledgeable than me can enlighten me here; Why are we even testing for superconductivity with levitation, instead of just checking for current loss/heat loss while conducting?

Because the production of lk-99 yields a puddle of mess.

https://twitter.com/MarkTyler81/status/1688736978437898240

LK-99 == alchemy RT SC.

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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I too like to assign probabilities to my vibes. Much more legitimate.

Common in tech: “95% of our users wont care if we make the product worse by…”

That's falsifiable though, in a way the other examples are not. You could sample the population of users after the change to the product

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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Yes, that's what caught my attention too: no actual conductivity measurement, but only magnetic levitation.

Because the levitation is a much better proof. It can only levitate if the resistance is really exactly 0. While measuring it somehow always adds errors, because the probes themselves have resistance. And then you can't be sure if it's 0 or just really low.

There are measurement configurations that can be used to eliminate contact resistance (such as a van der Pauw measurement). Resistance, and electrical measurement in general, is the true proof - the Meissner effect is secondary and more confusing as, since this paper shows, a small ferromagnetic phase can give rise to the same effects.

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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There are 2 things in favor of the Korean team - Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. But stranger things have happened, so lets assign a 10% probability to give some benefit of doubt to the team. - The various DFT papers show interesting flat band structures. But DFT is an approximation and also they do not take into account electron electron correlations. So l…

> Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief. > so lets assign a 10% probability why 10%? not 0.01%? because of his "prof." title or previous publications? Surely that won't change the course of nature I thought?…

> you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief.

Not OP but "this man" has published enough papers on superconductors[0] that yes, he absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[0]: See e.g. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=de&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=hyun... or https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_P8mux4AAAAJ&hl=de...

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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This question has been asked with near identical or very similar wording in almost every LK-99 submission I've seen over the last week or so... Is there something botnet-y happening? I find it hard to believe anyone reading similar threads could have missed the numerous answers to this and similarly-formed questions that have been offered lately.

Maybe it is the most natural question which comes to a lay person like me when it comes to superconducting. Not everyone can be as knowledgeable, or in the loop as you are. And I assure you that I am no bot. I acquire sustenance, go into low energy states and have a lifetime warranty like all fellow meatbags.

That is exactly what a bot would say... you have to prove you are human by starting a company and making $1M

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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> Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. you came with presumption that this man knows & understands the subject matter. that is a very bold assumption given the mounting evidence against such brief. > so lets assign a 10% probability why 10%? not 0.01%? because of his "prof." title or previous publications? Surely that won't change the course of nature I thought?…

I've seen this on here before. Guys convincing themselves that they're being rational and you're being emotional - because they put little numbers besides their feelings and perform some calculations to produce a percentage that "proves" their theory about Antivax stuff, Putin/Ukraine or whatever is credible.

It's a shibboleth in rationalist circles who convince themselves/others that they're doing Bayesian inference in their heads.

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

#187

Very interesting comments on the paper by Prof. Michael S. Fuhrer https://nitter.net/i/status/1688755932275384320 > But I think they buried the lede a little. Ferromagnetism is novel and unexpected in this material system, and might be interesting. But strong diamagnetism even more so > Even if the diamagnetic fraction is the entire sample (appears less) then it would be the second-strongest diamagnet known (and pyro…

There are 2 things in favor of the Korean team - Hyun-Tak Kim is unlikely to ruin his career and legacy for something careless and frivolous. But stranger things have happened, so lets assign a 10% probability to give some benefit of doubt to the team. - The various DFT papers show interesting flat band structures. But DFT is an approximation and also they do not take into account electron electron correlations. So l…

Repeat after me: Flat bands do not imply superconductivity. DFT calculations cannot be used to predict superconductivity. DFT is a single-particle calculation. Superconductivity is a multi-particle phenomenon.

At most, the preprint(s) you're referring to suggest that maybe (under their unverified assumptions) electron-electron interactions could lead to interesting physics in that material. It provides no evidence for what that physics looks like and says nothing about what temperature these things will occur.

High temperature superconductivity is not well understood and we do not have the theoretical tools to make quantitative predictions about it. At best we run dodgy simulations, squint at the resulting plots, and say "hm, that's interesting".

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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I think you are missing the point: a typical ohmmeter would have metal probes, so with a superconductor you would just be measuring the resistance of those probes. Any attempt to overcome that problem probably introduces a lot of chances for error or noise, or require some huge sample of the superconductor.

Zero resistance would be hard to proof this way, but why can't you compare measurements of LK99 with known conductors?

You absolutely can, and as you can see in this paper it is absolutely do-able to measure the resistance of these materials. They measure an insulator with something on the order of 10^6 ohm m. For reference, copper has a resistivity of ~ 10^(-8) ohm m, so there are about 14 orders of magnitude of difference. This does make the contact resistance pretty negligible in this case too.

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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For the half levitated ferromagnetic sample: isn't there torsional force where that disc touches the magnet? At this point we have many examples where it's fully levitated.

all the full levitation videos are questionable in origin. I'd even go so far as to call every single one of them fake. No credible reproduction has featured a levitating sample.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.01516

https://nitter.net/altryne/status/1686279028523847680

Re: Ferromagnetic half levitation of LK-99-like synthetic samples

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Ouch. This comment backfired quite badly. Turns out the person being replied to is Korean, the commenter is likely not, and in addition this is how the authors wrote their names themselves. Yet I do not wish this comment to be snarky. I’m interested in the broader perspective (and I apologize in advance to the parent for using this as an hook). The comment seems common of the present era in which polarization (leadin…

Seeing mistakes about Korean names in the media is very common. It's a lost cause at this point

That's not the issue, though, the issue is staunchly defending something on behalf of some other group. It's noble, but it sometimes backfires because the group itself doesn't even care that much about the thing being defended.

It reminds me of the time that I got reprimanded at work for saying I'll "wear a rainbow scarf" together with a gay coworker and friend, when the coworker didn't even see what could be offensive in the statement.

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