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Re: Some tactics for writing in public

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post #44

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People are going to feel all kinds of things. Asking whether or not they should feel them is a dead end in the context of public forums, because nobody controls anybody else's feelings, or how each individual reacts to a feeling. Sincere, productive conversations are mostly going to take place in more private forums like group chat or face to face. Public discussion threads are better suited for identifying friends a…

It's not a dead end, because public forums are not natural phenomena. They are things we design, build, maintain, and police. Personally, I want experts to be able to talk about their work without feeling abused, harassed, or threatened. I want it not just for myself, but so that we can have a society based on truth, not just on who can shout the loudest or who can be the biggest jerk.

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Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#182
post #59

>I mostly try to head this off by trying to be self-aware about my knowledge level on a topic, and saying “I’m not sure…” when I’m not sure about something. This excellent tactic for avoiding pointless debate and inviting helpful replies is sadly beyond many people in the software field. Software folks are used to the past where you could master things completely. With the continued growth of knowledge and the growth…

These people may have decent raw intelligence, but they're NOT smart!

Actually smart people know what they know and don't know, constantly test their understanding, and are HAPPY when proven wrong, since that means they learned something new.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#183
post #83

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> fear of repercussions is mostly gone. Is it? Because AFAICT people censorship themselves online all the time for the fear of repercussion. It's like being on tape 27/7 where anyone that doesn't like you can watch your old tapes and loook for problems.

For obscure people, especially anonymous randos, there are practically no consequences. When I hear people complain about "repercussions" from online speech, they usually just mean criticism. And that's all the article author seems to mean too. "I realize this section makes me sound like a Perfectly Logical Person who does not get upset by negative public criticism, I promise this is not at all the case and I have 10…

This is not true, regular "anonymous randos" get doxed regularly and the crazies call up an demand they be 'fired', they get threats to their family, friends and livelyhood.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#184
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For obscure people, especially anonymous randos, there are practically no consequences. When I hear people complain about "repercussions" from online speech, they usually just mean criticism. And that's all the article author seems to mean too. "I realize this section makes me sound like a Perfectly Logical Person who does not get upset by negative public criticism, I promise this is not at all the case and I have 10…

This is not true, regular "anonymous randos" get doxed regularly and the crazies call up an demand they be 'fired', they get threats to their family, friends and livelyhood.

Do you have any examples?

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

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Yeah, there's a really odd all or nothing kind of attitude with knowledge, experience or skill, as if "being smart" is like a linear growth Pokemon level-thing rather than being more like a radar chart of skills and experience. Which I find so odd and absurd in a profession that's full of esoteric knowledge. Being experienced and smart obviously is a huge asset, but if you just aren't familiar with library X but new…

Software development strongly self-selects for people who like black-and-white, all-or-nothing, binary reasoning. Few people have patience for a tool that will fail to even attempt to run a several-million-line program because there happens to be a trivial typo in one line in one file. It should be no surprise that kind of people for whom behavior like that is reasonable are the kind of people to think intelligence i…

Something I often reflect on is the trend of engineers of all kinds being somewhat overrepresented in extremist movements. I think it's related: discomfort with inconsistency and uncertainty can push you to extremes in any domain. And the extreme viewpoints are where black and white thinking is closest to correct, and may be useful or valued.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#186
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are going to feel all kinds of things. Asking whether or not they should feel them is a dead end in the context of public forums, because nobody controls anybody else's feelings, or how each individual reacts to a feeling. Sincere, productive conversations are mostly going to take place in more private forums like group chat or face to face. Public discussion threads are better suited for identifying friends a…

It's not a dead end, because public forums are not natural phenomena. They are things we design, build, maintain, and police. Personally, I want experts to be able to talk about their work without feeling abused, harassed, or threatened. I want it not just for myself, but so that we can have a society based on truth, not just on who can shout the loudest or who can be the biggest jerk.

> I want experts to be able to talk about their work without feeling abused, harassed, or threatened

Most experts are idiots (specifically “intellectual yet idiot“). Protecting bad ideas (expert or not) against criticism is an immense danger to society.

If your ideas and findings can’t stand on their own, I can’t help but think they must not be very strong.

Oh and if you think that what you post on the internet is you, and it’s you personally that’s being attacked when people respond to your words…

Please ask yourself if that’s true.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#187

Is it just me or is this post screaming with self-consciousness and political correctness? Author is self-censoring policy suggestions and social/cultural insights, which I personally find interesting to write and read about, especially the weirder ones that provide transformational experience. And the dig-related blocking is just jarring. It makes it look like the author is quick on the trigger. PS: I just noticed t…

The author is tactically avoiding discussions that she considers unproductive and does not want to participate in, hence the title of the blog post. > Is it just me or is this post screaming with self-consciousness and political correctness? Good writers always consider the way their choice of words will affect their audience. Are you suggesting that this is a bad thing?

> Good writers always consider the way their choice of words will affect their audience.

It's not the choice of words. It's the choice of topics.

> The author is tactically avoiding discussions that she considers unproductive

The author is not avoiding certain topics because they are unproductive but rather because she fears backlash on social media.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#188
post #184

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This is not true, regular "anonymous randos" get doxed regularly and the crazies call up an demand they be 'fired', they get threats to their family, friends and livelyhood.

Do you have any examples?

I'm not in the habit of keeping recorded data of on these, but internet witch hunts are not a new thing. I'll let you search for it.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#189
post #184

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Do you have any examples?

I'm not in the habit of keeping recorded data of on these, but internet witch hunts are not a new thing. I'll let you search for it.

> I'll let you search for it.

No, you made the existence claim, so the burden of proof is on you:

> regular "anonymous randos" get doxed regularly and the crazies call up an demand they be 'fired', they get threats to their family, friends and livelyhood.

You can't even provide one example? I'll let you search for it. I'm not going to search for unicorns or pots of gold at the end of rainbows.

Re: Some tactics for writing in public

#190
post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not in the habit of keeping recorded data of on these, but internet witch hunts are not a new thing. I'll let you search for it.

> I'll let you search for it. No, you made the existence claim, so the burden of proof is on you: > regular "anonymous randos" get doxed regularly and the crazies call up an demand they be 'fired', they get threats to their family, friends and livelyhood. You can't even provide one example? I'll let you search for it. I'm not going to search for unicorns or pots of gold at the end of rainbows.

I can, but why bother when you're itching for a fight over the obvious. Enjoy your day.
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