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Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#91

Post by TheDong »

lyapunova wrote: post #84
starchild3001 wrote: post #53

Given the animosity Elon Musk has displayed towards former and current Xitter employees, it should surprise us more that people keep working with him. People leaving him is not surprising. Deciding to work with him is surprising.

Serious question - not trying to be cute or funny - is Xitter pronounced like "sitter", "ksitter", or "shitter"?

Since you say it's a serious question, even though it's pretty unrelated to this thread, I'll give a serious answer.

First, 'xitter' isn't an official term related to x/twitter, so there's no official pronunciation.

'Xi' also doesn't occur in english much at all, so there's not much to draw on. My dictionary just has "Xiphoid", where the 'X' is pronounced as a 'Z'.

To my american-english mind, the obvious sound is "Z", like in "xenogenic" or "xenophobic". Or "xylophone". Basically, "x" at the beginning of a word is always a Z sound if a vowel sound follows, and an "ex" sound in exceptions like "X-Ray" and so on.

The only exception to the above is loanwords, notably chinese ones. In words like "Xian", for example, the "X" is pronounced close to the english soft "J" sound (like in Jacques)

So, summarizing, the majority of native english speakers, I believe, will read that as "Zitter", unless told it's a chinese word. There's no official pronunciation, so feel free to pick your own favorite though. This is english, pronunciations aren't wrong or right, they're just vibes.

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#92

Post by unforeseen9991 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #62
nness wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, C-Suite roles rarely change without an announcement far in advance or a complete change of leadership. (I know nothing about Telsa's current affairs, but a CFO change this sudden without any other announcement is sure to cause investor concern and likely foreshadows some bigger press.)

Dude is sticking around for another 6 months, so is 6 months far enough in advance?

That doesn't mean anything at the C level, the 6 months isn't his choice. They almost always transition out unless there is reputational damage involved, it's written into their contracts.

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#93

Post by agumonkey »

bluefishinit wrote: post #71
wonderwonder wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? For example, if Zuck choked Musk to death in a cage fight, what do you think would happen to the stock? Obviously the odds of this happening are close to 0 but after investing heavily in Tesla I came to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that a good deal of the value in tesla stock is tied to Musk. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I sold and put it all in an index fund that…

> How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? Tesla's valuation is mostly Musk. "Infinite demand", "full self-driving"... the SEC should have cracked down on him a long time ago but they seem unwilling to do so. Ultimately reality will win out and Tesla's stock will realign. That hasn't happened because Musk has an army of fanboys he can use to pump the stock, apparent ins at the SEC and a very aggressive call buying pro…

You think it's all games ? when I see a panel of videos(sandy munroe may be fan boy, I dont know, his reviews seems to be detailed at least), there are regularly a few things that seems impressive.

Competition seems to have difficulties catching up, chargers are improving, single cast car body seems to be a big benefit for factory simplification, they still had the best engine (and the adaptive reluctance idea seemed to be, again, ahead of anything else on market). New models are said to now be designed to be robotics friendly from day 1 which would again reduce costs. The embedded computer is said to, again, be years ahead of other brands. The cars have a lot of defects (windshield, doors, seats) but on the EV side of things .. they seem to keep driving the market.

And I'm not much of a fanboy .. especially since musk started to push beta SDV on the roads (and the twitter shipwreck is not helping)

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#94

Post by edgyquant »

gscho wrote: post #43
uristohkrat wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expand upon your idea: 'but like.. objectively what he does is bad'

Not the OP but we could mention that time where he called a hero a pedophile or when he bought twitter to promote free speech and then banned anyone who said negative things about him. No one human should have 260 billion dollars and be thought of as a good person unless they do a ton of philanthropy.

None of this is objective

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#95

Post by tamimio »

TheDong wrote: post #91
lyapunova wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question - not trying to be cute or funny - is Xitter pronounced like "sitter", "ksitter", or "shitter"?

Since you say it's a serious question, even though it's pretty unrelated to this thread, I'll give a serious answer. First, 'xitter' isn't an official term related to x/twitter, so there's no official pronunciation. 'Xi' also doesn't occur in english much at all, so there's not much to draw on. My dictionary just has "Xiphoid", where the 'X' is pronounced as a 'Z'. To my american-english mind, the obvious sound is "Z…

Also to add, Xeon (the processor) pronounced Zee-aan, Xenon (the gas) pronounced Zee-naan.

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#96

Post by bluefishinit »

agumonkey wrote: post #93
bluefishinit wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? Tesla's valuation is mostly Musk. "Infinite demand", "full self-driving"... the SEC should have cracked down on him a long time ago but they seem unwilling to do so. Ultimately reality will win out and Tesla's stock will realign. That hasn't happened because Musk has an army of fanboys he can use to pump the stock, apparent ins at the SEC and a very aggressive call buying pro…

You think it's all games ? when I see a panel of videos(sandy munroe may be fan boy, I dont know, his reviews seems to be detailed at least), there are regularly a few things that seems impressive. Competition seems to have difficulties catching up, chargers are improving, single cast car body seems to be a big benefit for factory simplification, they still had the best engine (and the adaptive reluctance idea seemed…

> You think it's all games?

Yes, because I'm talking about the valuation which is completely divorced from fundamentals and entirely based on Musk's hype of non-existent products like robotaxis and the cyber truck. They're a small, boutique car manufacturer with a $769B market cap. To put things into perspective, GM has a market cap of $51.5B.

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#97

Post by moralestapia »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #65
wonderwonder wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? For example, if Zuck choked Musk to death in a cage fight, what do you think would happen to the stock? Obviously the odds of this happening are close to 0 but after investing heavily in Tesla I came to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that a good deal of the value in tesla stock is tied to Musk. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I sold and put it all in an index fund that…

The more I see of Musk on Twitter the lower I judge his future impact at Tesla. Tesla going forward is going to have to grow its customer facing side and Musk seems unsuited to solving problems that involve humans and emotions. Could be completely wrong of course, often am. That said, I too divested myself 100%.

You can say whatever you want but 𝕏 DAUs are still strong and going up :^).

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#98

Post by heavyset_go »

pstuart wrote: post #90
ChuckMcM wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I see of Musk on Twitter the lower I judge his future impact at Tesla. Tesla going forward is going to have to grow its customer facing side and Musk seems unsuited to solving problems that involve humans and emotions. Could be completely wrong of course, often am. That said, I too divested myself 100%.

What confuses me is that Musk's behavior is abhorrent to the "typical" Tesla buyer.

He's courting a new customer base for the Cybertruck.

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#99

Post by garciasn »

Spooky23 wrote: post #79
wonderwonder wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? For example, if Zuck choked Musk to death in a cage fight, what do you think would happen to the stock? Obviously the odds of this happening are close to 0 but after investing heavily in Tesla I came to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that a good deal of the value in tesla stock is tied to Musk. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I sold and put it all in an index fund that…

Musk is willing to make reckless decisions and avoid expensive complications like following the law. A normal car executive would never just break the law re direct sales etc. I’d guess he’s becoming less valuable as the company is larger. Twitter is the textbook example of the downside of ruling by whim.

You’re right. VW, for example, would NEVER have broken the law by pushing for detection of emissions tests and changing the engine’s outputs when in this mode vs when it was on the road.

Never!

Re: Tesla, Inc. 8-k filing – CFO leaves Tesla

#100

Post by taylodl »

wonderwonder wrote: post #61
lyapunova wrote: post #38

Whether the CFO leaving is a "canary" or not, I think there is ample evidence that Tesla's overall value proposition is grossly misaligned with its current valuation (futures priced-in). I would not blame people for using this as an excuse to weaken their positions on Tesla. I am invested and have been for almost a decade, for the record.

How much of Tesla do you think is Musk? For example, if Zuck choked Musk to death in a cage fight, what do you think would happen to the stock? Obviously the odds of this happening are close to 0 but after investing heavily in Tesla I came to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that a good deal of the value in tesla stock is tied to Musk. He could get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I sold and put it all in an index fund that…

Quick - name the CEO of Toyota. Can't do it? How about Volkswagen? Still no? These are the two largest car companies in the world.

Honestly, I think Tesla would be better off if Musk were to go away - at this point. Musk really is the perennial entrepreneur. He's a great idea man, and he can get a company built and make that idea come to life. But he can't run a business.

I think Musk has overstayed his welcome at Tesla. He did it - he took EV's from the niche that hardly anybody paid attention to and made them mainstream. Bravo! I never would have thought he could have done it - but he did. Now it's becoming clear it's time for him to step away and tackle another problem. Otherwise he risks interfering with his own success.

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