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Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by lillecarl »

flappyeagle wrote: post #9
akomtu wrote: post #4

The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.

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I've had this thought too, people don't die from Cannabis or Mushroom overdoses so why are they illegal? People can consume sugar freely until they die, but they can't space out on some shrooms or relax with some weed because.....?

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by csdvrx »

androidbishop wrote: post #3

I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.

> There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not.

There is: the 1st amendment is about what we consider more important than anything else: here, religion - but not just: freedom of assembly, of the press and speech also covers way, WAY more ground than any other country in the world.

Personally, I like that - and considering how many people believe in some $diety, it may be the majority.

If you don't like that, and think the majority also dislikes that, it's easy: find enough support to change the 1st amendment.

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by nonrepeating »

akomtu wrote: post #4

The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.

That seems like a less-than-useful generalization. I know plenty of people who do mushrooms and yet labor away in cubicles to pay for their houses, in which they watch television.

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by [deleted] »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #10
androidbishop wrote: post #3

I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.

Most laws don’t apply to everyone, and they still have meaning.

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Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by gensym »

akomtu wrote: post #4

The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.

> going to vacation on hawaii

Most of the dudes I know plenty of dudes who partake in psilocybin also really like going to Hawaii. Maybe they didn't get stuff good enough to break that particular thought-circuit? What do you think?

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by Vecr »

lillecarl wrote: post #11
flappyeagle wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I've had this thought too, people don't die from Cannabis or Mushroom overdoses so why are they illegal? People can consume sugar freely until they die, but they can't space out on some shrooms or relax with some weed because.....?

There's all the cynical and morality related reasons you probably already know about, but it is possible to die from any psychoactive drug, easiest by getting into a car while intoxicated and crashing it. Other ways include but are not limited to failing to correctly operate heavy machinery and falling off things. You can get diabetes from eating sugar and get similarly incapacitated, but it's not as direct. All these things can hurt and/or kill a bunch of people, so it's not just about you.

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by anon373839 »

csdvrx wrote: post #12
androidbishop wrote: post #3

I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.

> There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. There is: the 1st amendment is about what we consider more important than anything else: here, religion - but not just: freedom of assembly, of the press and speech also covers way, WAY more ground than any other country in the world. Personally, I like that - and considering how many people believe in some $…

In reality, the First Amendment does not create a religious exemption from drug laws. See Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990).

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by mike_d »

"We have tried nothing and we are all out of ideas" seems to be the response to any sort of problem in San Francisco. There are plenty of federal and state resources that can come in and handle the problem, they just have to make a phone call.

(I don't care to debate the value of mushrooms, at this point it is illegal and I am commenting on the broader ineptitude of SF city government)

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by mike_d »

ruined wrote: post #8
androidbishop wrote: post #3

I'm all for magic mushrooms and legalization, but I don't buy this 1st amendment religious exemption bullshit. The law should apply equally to everyone and everything, or it ceases to have any meaning. It's the same as the Supreme Court carving out a religious exemption to the Civil Rights act. There's no good reason why people's woo-woo beliefs somehow changes whether the law applies to them or not. It's ridiculous.

having a private religious experience with a mushroom doesn't deny anyone legislative representation

Laws exist to create a civil society. You shouldn't get an exemption because you have an imaginary friend.

Re: Magic mushrooms are for sale in SF, and the city gov has no idea what to do

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Post by chpatrick »

akomtu wrote: post #4

The state is afraid of mushrooms because they let users detach from the groupthink that guides the people from birth to death. The groupthink is made of many polished thought-circuits that compel an individual to do certain things, such as buying a nice car, working an office job, going to vacation on hawaii, watching tv, and so on.

I'm imagining politicians in a cigar-smoke filled room terrified of hippies on shrooms.
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