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Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Post by sdenton4 »

kbenson wrote: post #291
sdenton4 wrote: post #211

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It's 'solved' in the sense that there's a lot of machinery to deal with and remediate fraud and abuse. It's definitely not solved in a technical sense. It might be helpful to stop and think for a moment about all the cool stuff one could do with a reliable way to link people to accounts uniquely, without fraud. If the government has 'solved' this, why not sell the solution to companies?

You're talking about the market in general, and I'm talking about with respect to UBI. My thought process is: * Any UBI is going to be government based, as there needs to be a way to collect (tax) and redistribute (UBI) money between all people, whether or not the amount collected and distributed is the same relatively for each or not. * Governments already have (in most cases, if not all. I can't speak for every cou…

I wasn't starting from the assumption that UBI /has/ to be government-based, and was discussing a core problem (identifiability) that arises when a non-government entity tries to implement UBI. You've just got a different set of assumptions.

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Post by wpietri »

srackey wrote: post #174
wpietri wrote: post #71

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Yeah, my take is that during the rise of the internet and mobile, tech earned a lot of social credit. But since then tech companies both large and small have been burning through that at a prodigious rate, especially social media, monopoly-seekers, and the trash fire that is crypto. If I had to sum up the new attitude of European regulators toward tech, it would be, "We're tired of your bullshit." I'm glad to see it.…

Tech hasn’t “burned through social capital”. The media has shifted from being positive/neutral regarding tech to actively hostile, mainly because tech has been increasingly approaching their turf. Regulators follow public opinion, public opinion follows the media.

Sorry, if you want to claim that tech hasn't burned through social capital, you'll have to make that claim separately from anything about the media. But you'll have a hard time making the case. Look at how much HN commenters have to say about issues with privacy for example. Or we just had an energetic conversation about Google's stewardship of Chrome.

I also think that tech is not "increasingly approaching [media's] turf". Tech absolutely destroyed the funding model for newspapers, but that started in the Craigslist era. The fraction of journalism that survived has successfully made the leap to an online era.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Post by wpietri »

hinkley wrote: post #180
wpietri wrote: post #71

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Yeah, my take is that during the rise of the internet and mobile, tech earned a lot of social credit. But since then tech companies both large and small have been burning through that at a prodigious rate, especially social media, monopoly-seekers, and the trash fire that is crypto. If I had to sum up the new attitude of European regulators toward tech, it would be, "We're tired of your bullshit." I'm glad to see it.…

We are still going to have to work with people who had no qualms about working for five different breeds of charlatan. Some of them two or three breeds at once. I once was contract to hire at a place that was skeevy. The management team was horrible and abusive, the most senior developer was defensive and cagey. I said no because of the management situation, but I also wasn't happy that the putative lead had a side h…

Yeah, to me that's one of the most poisonous things about bubbles and gold rushes. A bunch of people make good money doing things that are terrible, ridiculous, or both. They don't learn the lessons they would in a normal environment, and so they may be like that forever, and may continue to do terrible/ridiculous things as long as the money holds out.

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Post by kbenson »

sdenton4 wrote: post #311
kbenson wrote: post #291

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You're talking about the market in general, and I'm talking about with respect to UBI. My thought process is: * Any UBI is going to be government based, as there needs to be a way to collect (tax) and redistribute (UBI) money between all people, whether or not the amount collected and distributed is the same relatively for each or not. * Governments already have (in most cases, if not all. I can't speak for every cou…

I wasn't starting from the assumption that UBI /has/ to be government-based, and was discussing a core problem (identifiability) that arises when a non-government entity tries to implement UBI. You've just got a different set of assumptions.

Okay, but I'm not sure they're wrong assumptions, because I don't know how UBI could not be government based, and I haven't seen any explanations challenging it.

Either it needs to be government based, in which case I think some third party service explaining how they are helping to enable it by providing identifiability is subject to the criticisms I've laid out, or it doesn't need to be through the government, in which case I'm honestly curious as to any explanations from anyone of how that works.

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Post by littlestymaar »

dopidopHN wrote: post #107
littlestymaar wrote: post #77

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You can have UBI at a country level if you finance it with government budget (through taxes)[1], but as a for-profit enterprise, there's no that's a good idea (for it to work at all, it must have a monetization strategy, and they all look dystopian) [1] it actually exist(ed) in France (see RMI/RSA, though the different governments recently added tons of bureaucracy to it as a way to deter people from getting it, ruin…

To add : France minima sociaux are not enough to live on by themselves. Last time I checked the RSA was around 400 euros / months. The idea of UBI imply that you can live in a ok way with it. I have friends who lives with the French RSA, they have previous stash of money to complete it. One is close to spend only 400/month, but he lives on land he bought with his last job.

> The idea of UBI imply that you can live in a ok way with it

Not really, or rather it depends who you ask: on the left's perspective on UBI, you're right, but on the right side (Milton Friedman being the most prominent on that side having talked about UBI) then it should be barely enough to replace all other form of state wellfare without necessarily be enough to live from it.

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Post by Legend2440 »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #68
Legend2440 wrote: post #36

I really don't want to have anything to do with crypto, and the fact that Sam Altman is pushing it in 2023 makes both him and OpenAI look sketchy. Especially crypto with a weird biometric eye scanner.

He was always sketchy, and the whole way he handles OpenAI is also extremely sketchy with pushing for regulation that in effect protects OpenAI's products against competition and forms a soft-to-hard government monopoly on AI (the exact opposite of OpenAI's initial mission). And yet, they did bring us GPT, and inspired the world to go in this direction, including the open-source models by Meta. History is always mess…

Artificial fertilizer (which feeds billions of people worldwide) was invented by the same guy who ran the German chemical weapons program in WWI.

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Post by mcpar-land »

simonw wrote: post #260
mcpar-land wrote: post #233

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the current 'normie' understanding of ChatGPT and other current LLMs like Bard is not that they are stochastic parrots that can complete sentences by probabilities, it's that they are 'stupid AGI.' And if we give them more funding and more training, eventually they will become 'smart AGI.' OpenAI markets their product exactly this way, focusing on how ChatGPT can 'write code' (it cannot) or 'write poetry' (it cannot)…

Can you expand on your statement that ChatGPT cannot write code? That doesn't match my experience with it.

When you ask ChatGPT to write a piece of code that does a thing, it is not reasoning about what the code should do, modeling the problem in its head, figuring out how to translate that into code, then writing it. The neural weights are spitting up a piece of code it determines would probably come after your prompt, based on similarity to a kajillion StackOverflow answers, GitHub repos, textbooks, etc etc. It is not coming up with a solution, just giving you the average answer to the million most similar questions.

ChatGPT can “write code” in the most literal sense that it will give you code when given a prompt, but (unlike how OpenAI markets-by-omission) it does not reason about code like an AGI could.

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Post by nerdbert »

iraqmtpizza wrote: post #109
littlestymaar wrote: post #77

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You can have UBI at a country level if you finance it with government budget (through taxes)[1], but as a for-profit enterprise, there's no that's a good idea (for it to work at all, it must have a monetization strategy, and they all look dystopian) [1] it actually exist(ed) in France (see RMI/RSA, though the different governments recently added tons of bureaucracy to it as a way to deter people from getting it, ruin…

As soon as the money becomes conditional, it's not UBI. If you have to irrevokably sign up to an organ donor list, it's not UBI. UBI is inherently redistributive. Which I happen to think is immoral.

Almost every interaction between more than one human that involves resources is either abusive or positively redistributive to some degree. If intentional redistribution with the goal of increasing equality is immoral, that leaves abuse as the only moral choice in your worldview.

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Post by unboxingelf »

93po wrote: post #279
danpalmer wrote: post #29

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OpenAI work there because labour is really cheap. I don't think this is at all about UBI, if anything "competing" with Give Directly (who are doing truly excellent) would require more work and justification of Worldcoin's approach. I do suspect the real reason is much more exploitative.

There is a lot of fraud with current methods of charity in developing countries. Worldcoin is working to address that.

why are you shilling worldcoin on this website?
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