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Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by iseletsk »

anticodon wrote: post #61
parl_match wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, in America I don't think we have rules against reintroducing planes involved in deadly incidents, but are still airworthy. The shrine is a bit wild, though.

We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor…

Of course there chechen restaurants in St. Petersburg: https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%...

Even more so in Moscow.

Second surprise for you - there are plenty of russians who are poor and alcoholic. There are plenty of russians that drink vodka.

And while it is a poor taste, there are quite a few people in russia with very poor taste.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by vkou »

blibble wrote: post #109
vkou wrote: post #107

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If driving were 10 times more dangerous than it is now, we'd all still be doing it.

your lifetime risk of dying in a motor accident is about 1 in 100 (depending on where in the world you live) I suspect you'd see fewer people driving if it was 1 in 10

> I suspect you'd see fewer people driving if it was 1 in 10

Everybody dies, and I need to get to work/see grandma/go to the grocery. People drove about as much in the 60s, when the per-vehicle mile travel deaths in the US were 5 times what they are today.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by bartread »

anticodon wrote: post #99
bartread wrote: post #65

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Yes, but you'll note that the article you've shared doesn't unequivocally and unambiguously state that only some of the brakes are being disabled: they imply it, with some handwavey talk about redundancy of systems, but they don't specifically say that that's what's actually happening in this specific situation. Whereas when I look at specialist aviation sites, rather than mainstream news, it's clearly stated that wh…

> Yes, but you'll note that the article you've shared doesn't unequivocally and unambiguously state that only some of the brakes are being disabled: they imply it, with some handwavey talk about redundancy of systems, but they don't specifically say that that's what's actually happening in this specific situation. Whereas when I look at specialist aviation sites, rather than mainstream news, it's clearly stated that…

> West fought hard to kill it in the last 30 yars.

Nope. We just sat by and watched whilst your own oligarchs pillaged your natural resources and asset stripped your industry. This was a mistake. We should not have allowed that to happen. But the alcoholic dotard Yeltsin is most to blame, since a lot of it occurred whilst he was in power.

However, you say over the last 30 years, for most of which Putin has been in power. Are you suggesting that he allowed this to happen on his watch? Is he not the awesome leader who made Russia strong again after all? What are you actually saying here? He lay down and just let the West screw your aircraft industry? That doesn't seem very likely. It certainly doesn't seem like the image that Putin likes to portray. Perhaps he, and the rest of Russia's leaders, just mismanaged the hell out of everything and that's why your aircraft industry isn't doing so well?

> we can produce brake pads domestically

Brakes are more than just brake pads, as I suspect you well know. Still, I'm sure Russia can produce all the necessary parts, which is why I'm interested in what happens after the 10 day permitted period.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by foverzar »

woodruffw wrote: post #71
anticodon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor…

I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. Do you think every American drives a pickup truck and owns 12 guns? You probably don't, because you're not a fool; similarly, most Americans don't think that Russians live their lives swizzling vod…

> this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before

What's up with these emotive labels? Lots of people (myself included) enjoy klyukva - it's an awesome source of hilariously absurd content.

But you'd be surprised how often it actually leaks into supposedly serious reasoning, constantly making you question exactly how far (not even "if") the person you are talking to is detached from objective reality and what are their assumptions. There are quite a few examples of this even in this comment section.

Obviously this is not really unique - likely an extremely common view of foreign cultures people aren't really exposed to. The example with Americans isn't representative though since we are all exposed to this particular culture.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by foverzar »

iseletsk wrote: post #111
anticodon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor…

Of course there chechen restaurants in St. Petersburg: https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%... Even more so in Moscow. Second surprise for you - there are plenty of russians who are poor and alcoholic. There are plenty of russians that drink vodka. And while it is a poor taste, there are quite a few people in russia with very poor taste.

> Of course there chechen restaurants in St. Petersburg

Even your link proves that it's essentially not the case. Google finds the word "chechen" only twice and then just makes a fair guess that you were actually looking for Caucasus cuisine. Same for Moscow.

> Second surprise for you - there are plenty of russians who are poor and alcoholic. There are plenty of russians that drink vodka.

As is everyone else. What's the "surprise"? Parent wasn't arguing that there are NO people who are alcoholic, poor, or simply drink vokda, were they? They were moking a stereotype.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by foverzar »

oceanplexian wrote: post #64
rich_sasha wrote: post #10

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Story from a friend. Once, flying on a Russian domestic airline flight, they noticed something like a little shrine at the back. Some black and white photos, flowers, mementos. They asked the cabin crew about it. Response was, well, the plane had crashed once, killing some people on board, including some staff. So they are commemorated here. But the plane is fine. Anecdote aside, it's fair to say Russia has a somewha…

I flew on a Russian domestic flight 10-ish years ago, and people were still lighting up cigarettes on the plane if that says anything.

Weird, smoking on civillian aircrafts was forbidden in 2002.

Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by [deleted] »

anticodon wrote: post #82
woodruffw wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. Do you think every American drives a pickup truck and owns 12 guns? You probably don't, because you're not a fool; similarly, most Americans don't think that Russians live their lives swizzling vod…

> I don't doubt for a minute that Western media is filled with all kinds of ridiculous apocrypha about Russia. At the same time, I've never encountered this kind of ridiculous sensitivity about a country's perception before. You won't find many Russian authors vilifying USA habits and culture. Not among popular ones, for sure. Nor the Russian movies. That makes a difference. When there's a Russian in the US movie, I…

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Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust

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Post by thriftwy »

avar wrote: post #63
keddad wrote: post #20

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I flew from Moscow to Vladivastok recently, and it's a choice between 8 hour flight and a week in a train. The planes might be missing some maintenance, but they are certainly not falling out of the skies, and it's not like the trains can't fail (especially considering occasional train tracks sabotages). There are always risks, it's not that big of a deal.

Isn't the in-between choice to drive or fly out of Russia towards Europe, then fly east on a non-Russian airline, and eventually take e.g. the Tokyo to Vladivostok direct flight?

That would be prohibitively expensive and may require getting some visas which may in turn require further travel.
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