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In sec. 10.4, Zoom says "Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent." Customer Content is defined in 10.1 broadly. But sec. 10.2 clearly states that "Customer Content" does NOT include "Service Generated Data." Service Generated Data = "any telemetry data, product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content o…
I’d like to think HN had a small role in making Zoom blink and “clarify” that open ended rights to do what they wanted somehow isn’t what the original text said or intended. But the reality is this wording could come back in another form. Lawyers will lawyer. Still the world gets better at learning to read terms of services together and that’s magical.
> Still the world gets better at learning to read terms of services together and that’s magical. Does it though? I think it's more along the lines that the amount of reading of ToS is the same/similar as it has always been. It's just now that when someone does actually read them, there's a bigger bullhorn to shout from. It's only then that the internet gets stirred up. It's not like you or I read this ToS to catch th…
Your comment though made me realize that LLMs can probably help with understanding ToS’
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> Zoom re-updated their ToS to clarify that they will not do this. To be more specific, they clarified that they absolutely _will_ do this. But they provide an opt-out. That "without your consent" is carrying a lot of weight in the TOS. From the blog post: > When you choose to enable Zoom IQ Meeting Summary or Zoom IQ Team Chat Compose, you will also be presented with a transparent consent process for training our AI…
If you are signing up to use their AI services, it's pretty reasonable for them to ask your permission to use your data to provide said AI service. If you don't like that possibility, there's a simple answer: don't use their AI services.
If I'm a guest in a mandated Zoom call, how exactly do I go about not using Zoom's AI services?
In sec. 10.4, Zoom says "Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent." Customer Content is defined in 10.1 broadly. But sec. 10.2 clearly states that "Customer Content" does NOT include "Service Generated Data." Service Generated Data = "any telemetry data, product usage data, diagnostic data, and similar content o…
By accepting the ToS you consent to whatever they want you to.
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> Still the world gets better at learning to read terms of services together and that’s magical. Does it though? I think it's more along the lines that the amount of reading of ToS is the same/similar as it has always been. It's just now that when someone does actually read them, there's a bigger bullhorn to shout from. It's only then that the internet gets stirred up. It's not like you or I read this ToS to catch th…
Depending on the use case the tos gets read in my world, but in no way the majority of the time or as often as it should be. Your comment though made me realize that LLMs can probably help with understanding ToS’
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If you are signing up to use their AI services, it's pretty reasonable for them to ask your permission to use your data to provide said AI service. If you don't like that possibility, there's a simple answer: don't use their AI services.
> If you don't like that possibility, there's a simple answer: don't use their AI services. If I'm a guest in a mandated Zoom call, how exactly do I go about not using Zoom's AI services?
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The ToS was phrased perfectly clearly - it was just an incredibly disagreeable clause that they inserted. Why play obtuse, like the ToS wasn't drafted by Zoom's legal dept?
The ToS was phrased to cover their ass as much as possible, because that's Legal's job. I don't blame them for failing to take into account internet lynch mobs coming after them four months after they released the new terms [0]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20230401045359/https://explore.z...
Right. Which is why it explicitly allowed what I described. What does it have to do with future mobs? It either grants them the right, or it doesn't - in this case it did.