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Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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But again, as GP noted, isn't that a problem governments have already solved? If you want UBI it's going to be through the government, as that's the entity collecting the funds through taxes that would be distributed, and they already have a unique identifier for people. In the U.S. it's your SSN, which is conveniently also how they track you for income taxes (again, where a large portion of the funds for distributio…

It's 'solved' in the sense that there's a lot of machinery to deal with and remediate fraud and abuse. It's definitely not solved in a technical sense. It might be helpful to stop and think for a moment about all the cool stuff one could do with a reliable way to link people to accounts uniquely, without fraud. If the government has 'solved' this, why not sell the solution to companies?

You're talking about the market in general, and I'm talking about with respect to UBI. My thought process is:

* Any UBI is going to be government based, as there needs to be a way to collect (tax) and redistribute (UBI) money between all people, whether or not the amount collected and distributed is the same relatively for each or not.

* Governments already have (in most cases, if not all. I can't speak for every country definitively) ways to uniquely identify their populace. They don't need some external service to do such.

* Given that UBI will be government based, and the government already has a way to uniquely identify people they govern, what purpose does a third party blockchain to uniquely identify people service with respect to UBI?

> It might be helpful to stop and think for a moment about all the cool stuff one could do with a reliable way to link people to accounts uniquely, without fraud.

There are plenty of benefits to that. That has nothing to do with UBI. I'm not making a case that there's no benefit to identity verification, just that I'm not sure how some third party is supposed to help with UBI by providing it.

> If the government has 'solved' this, why not sell the solution to companies?

In some small ways (at least for the U.S.) they do. For example, with Tax services to look up people. Additionally, while not provided as a service to companies, SSNs are routinely used to uniquely identify U.S. citizens for financial reasons.

The Government could offer more services to companies for this, but there might be perverse incentives involved. Again, none of this has anything to do with UBI from what I can see. Once someone gets money, who cares how it's spent? Let it be deposited in the financial institution or asset of their choice. Again, no third party arbiter needs to be present for this, we do this today with tax returns and while different services often help with this, they are both not requires and there's multiple to choose from, not one external trusted entity that must be used.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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> can, categorically, overthrow it without threatening the integrity of UBI in its territory, it was never actually the government in the first place Which underlines the ridiculousness of the thought experiment. The solution to wars being destructive is...a blockchain?

there's a civil war ongoing but your income is still at its pre-war level (without any devaluation, meaning you keep your pre-war purchasing power) thanks to the magic of the blockchain .

> without any devaluation, meaning you keep your pre-war purchasing power

That's not how economics works.

The purchasing power of any currency, for example USD, isn't the same everywhere even at a fixed point in time, because we don't have negligible-cost transportation in war zones (amongst other places).

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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I don't think Open Source is a gradient, it's a boolean. Either something is Open Source or it's not. Neither Llama nor OpenAI is Open Source.

I disagree, it's functionally a gradient because the label encompasses different assumptions when different people say it. (It's even more vague than the US' "freedom of speech", since it lacks a bunch of case-law precedent.) You're saying clear-cut objective lines exist--where exactly do you believe they are placed?

Not saying this is the "objective truth", but the OSD does a good job of helping you find a clear-cut line when something is "Open Source" (in common parlor) or not: https://opensource.org/osd/

Again, not everyone agrees with those of course, and I guess that's fine. But I think most software developers who are in the FOSS ecosystem could agree that Llama is not "Open Source" as most people understand the term.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Worldcoin/OpenAI I would bet sama is just an asset, and is not literally planning (or perhaps even aware of) this.

The person involved in starting both of these companies that were transparently doing these bad things didn't know or plan it? Stop bending over backwards to excuse bad behavior from bad people.

I think people like sama are very easy to manipulate. I don’t know what else to tell you.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Or... the source of record can publish an xml file or something when there's updates to the signed diff... rss. No slow consensus model needed. If you aren't in an adversarial context with multiple publishers, you don't need blockchain.

> source of record How is this published? On a single server somewhere? What country would you put it in? A friendly one I hope. Also one that won't block access to other countries that it might have petty disagreements with in the future. It might be a good idea for it to be replicated across a number of servers across the internet. We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space.

> We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space.

Mirrors existed long before blockchain.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Molly White points out [0] that they seem to have gotten awfully vague about what they store, emphasizing in some contexts that the hashes on the chain are all that technically HAVE to be retained (and encouraging the assumption that those themselves are rigorously impossible to extrapolate personal information from)— but also insinuating to people at en-Orb-ment that they need to opt in to letting the company store…

> emphasizing in some contexts that the hashes on the chain are all that technically HAVE to be retained Even the context of the primary reason they cite for collecting retinal data (to prevent the same person from getting $50 multiple times) requires they keep this data for at least as long as they're paying people to scan their eyeballs.

Why do they need the original to prevent people to get paid multiple times? What good is the hash they're storing if the same person's retinas don't reliably produce the same hash?

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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Governments tend to

Do you have reference to a nation state in history that warred their way out of a debt spiral?

>Do you have reference to a nation state in history that warred their way out of a debt spiral?

See: 600 years of Roman history.

But for a modern example, just look at Bretton-Woods.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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> source of record How is this published? On a single server somewhere? What country would you put it in? A friendly one I hope. Also one that won't block access to other countries that it might have petty disagreements with in the future. It might be a good idea for it to be replicated across a number of servers across the internet. We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space.

> We call those "nodes" in the blockchain space. Mirrors existed long before blockchain.

Blockchain, the new uber-tech-hammer.. everyone gets nailed.

Re: Police raid Worldcoin warehouse in Nairobi

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And Loopt was originally about just sharing your location privately and then oops that got sold for low income credit card targeting so that sama could cash out https://allthingsd.com/20120309/green-dot-buys-location-app-...

Orbs will be open sourced and audited. Long-term they aren't storing anything other than the iris hash.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the promises made by crypto bros. I don't have that faith.
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