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Leaving out why they're in Amsterdam is a somewhat conspicuous omission: they were forced out of Russia[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times#After_2014
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Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, in America I don't think we have rules against reintroducing planes involved in deadly incidents, but are still airworthy. The shrine is a bit wild, though.
We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor…
> Firstly, there are no Chechen restaurants. Especially in the center of St. Petersburg. I don't know why, but anybody living here in Russia wouldn't be able to find any Chechen restaurant in Moscow or St. Petersburg. Russian, Ukranian [sic], Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, whatever, but not Chechen.
In case anyone was curious, there is a halal cafe called "Брат" ("Brat", meaning brother) in central Saint Petersburg which serves Chechen food and is advertised occasionally as a "Chechen restaurant". You can read the reviews on Google yourself: https://goo.gl/maps/wLi8qCoP8MaQy9Vv9 "Вкусно, как в Грозном!" ("Tasty, like in Grozny!")
Or on Yandex: https://yandex.ru/maps/org/brat/1450497326/reviews/?ll=30.38... "Нам его посоветовали как «чеченское кафе»." ("It was recommended to us as a "Chechen cafe".")
(There is also another cafe called MaggroZ.)
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#103That's dumb, here is an anecdote for you to enjoy about propaganda in USSR vs. propaganda in the USA told by George Hotz https://youtu.be/rzb2cuT9vaY?t=2977
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think the more apples-to-apples comparison here would be a train without breaks, wouldn't it be No. Not really. Russia has the means to produce brakes for their trains. They do not have the means to do the same for these airplanes. So the reality on the ground is that the trains have brakes while the airplanes don't (or they have breaks but with rapidly aging out of compliance parts.)
> No. Not really. Russia has the means to produce brakes for their trains. They do not have the means to do the same for these airplanes. I meant in terms of riders' perceptions of safety, not industrial capacity. That being said, it astounds me that Russia can't fabricate replacement breaks here: we're talking about a country with some of the best metallurgists in the world and a domestic aerospace industry; what gi…
> I meant in terms of riders' perceptions of safety
But that is what I am saying. The apples-to-apples comparision is “airplane with questionable/no brakes” vs “train with brakes”. There the “apple” is “as the thing is right now when you want to travel”. The proposed comparision with “train with no break” is not apples-to-apples because there are no breakless trains servicing the route. It is not a hypothetical comparision with some hypothetical train service and hypothetical planes. It is the comparision between the realworld situation on trains and airplanes right now.
The discussion about industrial capacity just illustrates how this difference have happened.
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#105How hard is it to manufacture an airplane brake? Surely Russia does have the required precision machining equipment and expertise. Of course a lot of that is being devoted to mass manufacture of weapons and other military equipment. I'm sure they can (and maybe in due time, they will) reroute some of those resources towards airplane parts. In my opinion, Russia is sometimes a little slow to react, but once the shit h…
Of course they have the skills and equipment to make airplane brakes. But think it through a bit. First the airline has to see that they need brakes. Then they have to find a potential supplier, likely an outfit that's already making brakes for Russian airplanes. Now that supplier has to reverse engineer the brakes on the Boeing/Airbus airplanes since they need to be compatible with everything that interfaces to them…
You seem to be assuming they will manufacture new brakes from scratch, but what about remanufacturing them (e.g. take a worn out part, replace only the specific components that are worn, then put it back into service)?
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course they have the skills and equipment to make airplane brakes. But think it through a bit. First the airline has to see that they need brakes. Then they have to find a potential supplier, likely an outfit that's already making brakes for Russian airplanes. Now that supplier has to reverse engineer the brakes on the Boeing/Airbus airplanes since they need to be compatible with everything that interfaces to them…
You seem to be assuming they will manufacture new brakes from scratch, but what about re manufacturing them (e.g. take a worn out part, replace only the specific components that are worn, then put it back into service)?
I'm sure they would do it using the most efficient methods available. That will reduce the overall cost, but not the concept I laid out. You'll still need all those steps at a minimum. The bottom line is that it's not a trivial "why don't they just..."
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
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> How in the world would any common Russian trust an airplane in this current sanctioned state in Russia and fly in one?! 1. What are the alternatives? Spend five days traveling by rail? 2. It's probably still safer, per mile traveled, than my driving commute, and I don't give climbing into a car a second thought.
> 2. It's probably still safer, per mile traveled, than my driving commute, and I don't give climbing into a car a second thought. maybe at the start when everything was within its specified flying hours but after a few years it's going to be way worse
If driving were 10 times more dangerous than it is now, we'd all still be doing it.
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, in America I don't think we have rules against reintroducing planes involved in deadly incidents, but are still airworthy. The shrine is a bit wild, though.
We have a word for US movies and books portraying Russia: "klukva" (cranberry). Because in every US made movie and US written book amount of lies and confabulations about Russian history and Russian culture is so high, that it deserves a special word. E.g. I was reading a book recently by John le Carré and had to stop after reading about 50 pages. I simply couldn't continue. E.g. there's a scene where Russian traitor…
By the way, John Le Carré was British, not American. No doubt there are dumb passages in American novels about Russia, but I don't see why we should take the blame for John Le Carré.
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 2. It's probably still safer, per mile traveled, than my driving commute, and I don't give climbing into a car a second thought. maybe at the start when everything was within its specified flying hours but after a few years it's going to be way worse
If driving were 10 times more dangerous than it is now, we'd all still be doing it.
your lifetime risk of dying in a motor accident is about 1 in 100 (depending on where in the world you live)
I suspect you'd see fewer people driving if it was 1 in 10
Re: Aeroflot deactivates brakes on nine aircraft, relies solely on reverse thrust
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to be assuming they will manufacture new brakes from scratch, but what about re manufacturing them (e.g. take a worn out part, replace only the specific components that are worn, then put it back into service)?
I'm sure they would do it using the most efficient methods available. That will reduce the overall cost, but not the concept I laid out. You'll still need all those steps at a minimum. The bottom line is that it's not a trivial "why don't they just..."
Oh, I agree it's not trivial, though with Russia it at least seems doable. They already have an established advanced aerospace industry, so they're already most of the way there. It's not like they're going to have to start from scratch.
One other thing:
>>> And all of this has to be financially worthwhile over some time horizon, unless the airline is also going to foot the upfront cost of all this. And bear in mind that resources dedicated to this may have to be taken away from parts they're already building and making money on.
I think you're neglecting politics. My understanding is Putin is trying to maintain as much of a "business as usual" atmosphere in Russia as possible, and that probably means Russian airlines (which I believe are state-owned) will have a strong incentive to do what they can to keep flying (on top of the pressures of the existential business risk of being unable to continue operations). The main complicating factor that I see isn't a financial calculation, but competition with military production priorities.
Also, I found an article (https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-airline-aeroflot-sen...) that says Russia is starting to send Western planes to Iran for maintenance, since Iran has been manufacturing its own parts for the planes, due to its own sanctions.