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Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by sieste »

ibejoeb wrote: post #154

From 10.4: > Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent. Right. And you've given consent by agreeing to the terms in the first sentence: > You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom [an absolute] license and all other rights...to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content...

This sounds like a joke, how can anyone write such ToS with a straight face? It's like "1.1 We value our customers and treat them with respect, unless we say we don't. 1.2 We don't."

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by burkaman »

cosmojg wrote: post #153
notroger wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh she knows. Prior to being COO she was Zoom’s lawyers: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/zooms-to...

Yikes, this is some of the slimiest legalese-shrouded deception I've seen yet.

I don't think it's slimy legalese, it's just a run-of-the-mill lie. Anyone can do it, you don't need a law degree.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by davidpaulyoung »

littlestymaar wrote: post #46
AbraKdabra wrote: post #10

I came directly to the comments to recommend Jitsi instead. Glad the author made the same early in the article.

Are there commercial offering for Jitsi around? (that is, not self-hosted)

https://federated.computer...includes Jitsi and Matrix...per domain...

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by Bu11etmagnet »

notroger wrote: post #143
burkaman wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi there, I don't believe you, especially since you've misrepresented that blog post. It actually says: "we do not use audio, video, or chat content for training our models without customer consent." It explicitly says that you do use customer content to train your models. From the screenshot: "You are directing Zoom to access, process, and use your participants' inputs and AI-generated content for the purpose of Zoo…

Oh she knows. Prior to being COO she was Zoom’s lawyers: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/zooms-to...

All of them?

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by esafak »

skilled wrote: post #65
aparnabzoom wrote: post #52

Hi there, I'm the COO of Zoom. We currently do not use audio, video or chat content to train AI models and we would not do so without customer consent. Please see our blog https://blog.zoom.us/zooms-term-service-ai/

Will you be updating the ToS to remove the wording that you have used?

Just ignore the blog post until the ToS is changed. Only one of them is binding.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by Bu11etmagnet »

prmoustache wrote: post #64
marcosdumay wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? If it's for any technical reason, I've been using Teams in Firefox for many months already, and meetings run just fine.

I tried once to connect to teams on firefox mobile in a private tab just to send a simple message (not a video call) and tell my coworkers I had a medical emergency and was heading to an hospital. After passing my company's azure SSO login prompts all I got was an error message I had to use Chrome or Mirosoft Edge

Firefox mobile is useless. I tried to use it. I really tried. Finally I had to uninstall it to preserve my sanity.

Re: Not Using Zoom

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Post by esafak »

mcny wrote: post #18

Between this and the "RTO or GTFO" story going around on Blind, my new conspiracy theory is there is some kind of power struggle going on at zoom leadership and the senior leadership team is intent on burning zoom to the ground. https://vimeo.com/851503362

Demanding RTO is a very bad look for a company whose lifeblood is remote work.

Re: Not Using Zoom

#170

Post by SoftTalker »

sickill wrote: post #155
SoftTalker wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jitsi is limited in that any organization big enough to have an IT security policy almost certainly prohibits standing up your own online meeting service for business use. You'll have to use the company-approved service, which is most likely Zoom or maybe Teams or Google. I haven't looked but I'd bet that Microsoft's and Google's terms of use are broadly similar to Zoom's for similar services.

Let’s try to convince our IT admins to approve Jitsi then. If we don’t try then we’ll be destined to Zoom/Teams/Meet.

It's not the IT admins, it's the CISO or equivalent. At their level they will be concerned with approving anything that's not widely popular and may be perceived as an "unsafe" choice. An extension of the age-old "nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM" line of thinking.
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