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PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by cccbbbaaa »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #174
mcpackieh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it confirmed that Intel's drivers on Linux aren't doing this too?

Intel drivers are part of the kernel, and I imagine Intel's attempt to put telemetry in them would be shut down fairly quickly by Linus Torvalds.

Graphics drivers, at least on unices, come in two parts: one in the kernel, another one in the userspace. The latter provides interfaces such as Vulkan. That said, ANV (Intel's driver) is part of mesa, and not bespoke like nvidia's. But that's a moot point: this telemetry component is not a part of the actual driver, but another separate program in the package.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by JohnFen »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #164
JohnFen wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody criticizes those who work at Google or Meta here. What can I say? I see such criticism frequently. I even pile onto it from time to time.

They criticize only the companies but not the workers who choose to work there like how the original poster choose to criticize those working at Intel for implementing telemetry. That's the difference. Meta/Google workers aren't judged here for working at these un-ethical companies.

> Meta/Google workers aren't judged here for working at these un-ethical companies.

Sure they are. I've seen comments like these aimed at workers of those companies far more than workers at Intel. There have even been entire threads about whether or not having Meta or Google on your CV hurts you, and should hurt you.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by pixxel »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #119
freedude wrote: post #104

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> The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place. And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing…

> And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing a fit and you might begin to grasp the concept. There is no "lack of accountability" anywhere in that story. Nothing done here was illegal, nor "evi…

All you’re doing here is revealing your lack of ethics with regard to this topic.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by freeAgent »

mcpackieh wrote: post #43
ginko wrote: post #9

How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.

The movie Thank You For Smoking about a tobacco lobbyist introduced a term for this. The Yuppie Nuremberg Defense, I've got a mortgage to pay.

Thank You For Smoking was an all-around great movie.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by qwertox »

prmoustache wrote: post #197
qwertox wrote: post #87

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Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.

Native Instruments is dying anyway.

How does that matter if you already invested 1000+ USD?

Go to Plugin Alliance [0] and select any plugin and when you scroll down you'll see that they are Windows and Mac only. Same for Plugin Boutique [1].

[0] https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/amek_eq_250.html

[1] https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/1-Instruments/4-Synth...

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by BizarroLand »

bee_rider wrote: post #157
hef19898 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most. Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the…

It is unfortunate that people recommended Ubuntu as a starting distro for so long. It does too much. It will update things for you, or give you a pop-up to tell you to update. Updates happen all at once, rather than a little at a time, so you get these big dramatic updates with combinatorial bug explosions. Maybe the repos will be gone if you don’t update in time. Maybe your favorite packages have moved from apt to s…

I've not had a good experience with Ubuntu or Pop OS. They've always felt sluggish on any hardware I've put them on.

Debian may take a touch more wrenching to get running but it has been good for me, although I haven't tried 12 yet. Fedora was good but Red Hat shenanigans seems to have messed with it.

I may try Mint next time. I've heard good things about it.

I said all of that to say, isn't Linux great?

If you have a quibble with it, you can kick it to the curb and try something else in an hour and everything just works. There's so many options to choose from, and you don't have weirdo corporations tracking your every application launch or building a psychological profile off of you from how you tab through a spreadsheet or cloud mapping your speaking patterns based off of how you type.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by prmoustache »

hardware2win wrote: post #69

People hating telemetry just because it is telemetry are tiring as hell. Blame telemetry for collection of unreasonable stuff, not for collecting data that is valuable for software improvement and doesnt violate privacy.

The thing is separately most telemetry seems reasonnable.

But if you let them all activated you end up with a computer that connect to hundredth of remote hosts constantly.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by wredue »

baal80spam wrote: post #37
wredue wrote: post #20

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Nvidia collects all the same data, and you cannot opt out of it if you run GeForce experience.

> if you run GeForce experience Exactly. It is a reason I never install it when updating Nvidia drivers (yes I know I'm missing out eg. on shadowplay but I don't use it anyway).

FYI, I was wrong here.

Telemetry on window information, focus times, click spots et al is collected with just the driver.

GeForce experience additionally collects personal information.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by bri3d »

lyjia wrote: post #193
bri3d wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conceptually the idea of a "VST" works on either platform, because VST is an API. However, VSTs are distributed as executables targeting a specific platform, and almost no VSTs are compiled natively for Linux. If you're already content with Reaper as a DAW, use "yabridge" which runs VSTs in WINE. It's virtually perfect for most purposes. Getting Linux audio set up for low latency is another Linux rabbit hole, though.

how does this work for VSTs with DRM? Or protected by iLok/etc?

I think software iLok used to work if it were licensed to the yabridge environment; whatever device identity parameters it read were implemented in WINE. For hardware iLok and other stuff, yeah, you're pretty stuck, they usually use goofy hacks or custom drivers that can't be handled in WINE. Someone would have to reverse engineer the DRM and figure out how to redirect the licensing methods. Or just remove the DRM from the plugins (crack them), which is the honest answer to people probably do it in the real world.

Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default

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Post by hef19898 »

bee_rider wrote: post #157
hef19898 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is great! And, thanks to Steam, a lot of games wirk as well. Not all, but most. Ubuntu, I haven't tried anything else so far, is a charm on Lenovo hardware. Update wise, it is were Windows was a couple of years ago. Meaning there are random updates that just kill and break certain functions. Happened last week, everything was running fine, including steam, as it always did. Until an update managed to delete the…

It is unfortunate that people recommended Ubuntu as a starting distro for so long. It does too much. It will update things for you, or give you a pop-up to tell you to update. Updates happen all at once, rather than a little at a time, so you get these big dramatic updates with combinatorial bug explosions. Maybe the repos will be gone if you don’t update in time. Maybe your favorite packages have moved from apt to s…

The issue described above was the only update problem I had with Ubunutu so far. The reason I picked it was the basically guaranteed compatability with my Lenovo laptop, I guessed better not take any risks. popOS was on the list as well so!

Positive side effect of above tepuble shooting, I got pretty fast installing Linux now.

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