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Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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Man, I did not sign up to subsidize the homeless of the entire western US, and neither did my fellow Californians. We definitely need to reduce the social programs and put that $20bn somewhere else. No matter how you slice it, $609,000/yr per homeless person is simply absurd.

Who do you trust to put twenty billion dollars "somewhere else?"

The people that earn it. Cut taxes and put that money back in the people’s hands.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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it was a mecca before this. 2014 was about 12-18 months into the tent encampment era (especially around the mission and Division) of homelessness though it was rapidly expanding in numbers and neighborhoods then and after that. Before that, 2012 and before, homelessness in the city tended to look more like people sleeping in doorways.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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post #4

Man, I did not sign up to subsidize the homeless of the entire western US, and neither did my fellow Californians. We definitely need to reduce the social programs and put that $20bn somewhere else. No matter how you slice it, $609,000/yr per homeless person is simply absurd.

I didn't sign up to live in a world where someone's wellbeing is tied to their ability to work for someone else's benefit. We all have unchosen obligations.

We all work for someone else’s benefit.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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post #4

Man, I did not sign up to subsidize the homeless of the entire western US, and neither did my fellow Californians. We definitely need to reduce the social programs and put that $20bn somewhere else. No matter how you slice it, $609,000/yr per homeless person is simply absurd.

And yet by your voting patterns, that’s exactly what you did.

Democracy is the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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post #4

Man, I did not sign up to subsidize the homeless of the entire western US, and neither did my fellow Californians. We definitely need to reduce the social programs and put that $20bn somewhere else. No matter how you slice it, $609,000/yr per homeless person is simply absurd.

I didn't sign up to live in a world where someone's wellbeing is tied to their ability to work for someone else's benefit. We all have unchosen obligations.

At a certain point those "unchosen obligations" snowball into a gargantuan, suffocating problem for actual taxpayers.

It's not our responsibility to care for the homeless of the entire western US.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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post #15

Because the bay area is home to many extremely rich people who give absolutely nothing back to their communities, encourage rampant gentrification and generally despise poor people and advocate for anti-worker policies. Take a scroll through the likes of some of the famous VCs who constantly complain about SF's homelessness and crime. They tend to be more mask off far-right in their likes vs tweets (some will straigh…

Or just take a scroll through the comments here today and also every week when this comes up on HN. The cruelty of the consensus here is astounding.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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post #4

Man, I did not sign up to subsidize the homeless of the entire western US, and neither did my fellow Californians. We definitely need to reduce the social programs and put that $20bn somewhere else. No matter how you slice it, $609,000/yr per homeless person is simply absurd.

I'm guessing that moving that (actually) $25bn "elsewhere" would actually increase the homelessness problem in California since that money funds a variety of social assistance programs for all manner of people, most of whom have a place to live!

You can see the spend here: https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4640

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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> Mayor London Breed threw her hands up in response. “We can’t force people to accept or stay in shelters and we’re unable to prevent people from setting up an encampment in an area that was just cleaned. This is the situation we are in,” she tweeted Wednesday.

> She’s right. San Francisco is under a federal injunction that bars officials from enforcing laws against camping or sleeping in public spaces as long as its homeless population exceeds available shelter beds. As we recently explained, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment creates a right to vagrancy.

NYC has a ban against encampments because they provide shelter to homeless. Even after southern states have sent 100,000 penniless migrants to NYC, they still are able to find beds for people.

If San Francisco politicians can't create enough shelters, it's on them. There are hotels, parking lots, rec centers, etc if you have to deal with the numbers in the interim before you get housing up.

Re: Why San Francisco Is a Homeless Mecca

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I think it's important to note a couple of things.

> The city of San Francisco released data last week showing that 55% of homeless individuals rejected shelter when offered it

I think it's very important to understand why people turn down the beds. There are several reasons-

* Shelters have very restricted hours, so if someone has a job that includes nights they likely can't use a shelter. A large number of homeless people are employed.

* To accept space at a shelter homeless people often have to abandon their belongings. If they have a tent, for example, these normally aren't allowed.

* Getting a bed for one night does not mean that they'll have one the second night. So throwing away their tent for one night in a bed just doesn't make sense.

* Shelters often don't allow pets, and a lot of homeless people have dogs.

> She’s right. San Francisco is under a federal injunction that bars officials from enforcing laws against camping or sleeping in public spaces as long as its homeless population exceeds available shelter beds.

There's a really, really important point here. If every homeless person accepted a bed, there still would be no where near enough to cover the homeless population. This is part of the reason people aren't willing to accept temporary shelter, as they know it's temporary (since there isn't enough for everyone the city basically rotates people around)

It's also really important to note that SF has, per capita (of population, not of homeless population), the lowest amount of shelter beds of any major city in the US. The bay area itself is even worse, as some cities don't have any shelter space at all. A huge part of this is because housing is so expensive, as is building.

This article tries to play it off as people just choosing to be homeless, but the reality is a lot more nuanced than that.

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