nvidia doesn't collect anything from linux drivers, i wonder if intel does the same?
PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#172People hating telemetry just because it is telemetry are tiring as hell. Blame telemetry for collection of unreasonable stuff, not for collecting data that is valuable for software improvement and doesnt violate privacy.
Based on the state of Microsoft software these days, I don’t think telemetry is as useful as developers think it is.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#173Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!
> Everything just works No it doesn't. Every Linux desktop requires me to spend hours tweaking things or finding workarounds to make it usable for myself. Window management is horrible compared to other OS. Fractional scaling mostly doesn't work. The Pomodoro timer in the "Software" store is no longer maintained and doesn't work at all on the latest Gnome. (Windows 11 has it built-in). Even so, I have to live with ce…
you are correct about fractional scaling being suboptimal and there are a few quirks here and there but linux has become largely usable at this point. most of the criticisms you have made about linux are due to inexperience and not being familiar with it rather than being fundamental problems with it. If instead of spending the last x years of your life daily driving windows or macos you had instead spent that time daily driving linux you would have all of the understanding infrastructure built up around linux instead and these would be non problems. I use fedora with gnome and I don't install any extensions or do any tweaking or workarounds as you say.
I know this is true because i'm a non developer, non power user (though still relatively technical) who has been using linux since 2006 and it works just fine. Not only that my dad has been happily setup using linux since around 2014 and he is as non technical as they come.
To really go in on this point I bought a macbook pro when the m1 devices came out and the experience you have with linux I have with macos. It's the worst operating system I have ever used. You complain about linux having bad window management but macos has basically no window management. you double click the top bar and depending on the software sometimes it will maximize, sometimes it will pull the window all the way down the screen and sometimes it will do nothing at all. You drag the window to the top or to the side and nothing happens at all. Window management on macos is so bad that most people say that you need to install external tools to mac it even half way usable. Even when you do its still less performant and buggier than what gnome or windows offers out of the box. You say macos needs no setup, but I spent 10's of hours desperately trying to make the workflow and ux of macos not be a horrible experience for me. Everything from no tools and trying to work within its paradigm, simple window management tools even going so far as to trying yabai and none of them felt right to me.
Now that said I would bet a person who has spent a decade daily driving macos probably has internalized the ins and outs and quirks relating to macos and wouldn't find it nearly as problematic. Most of the issues people have with linux are much less problems with linux and much more a lack of workflow understanding that they haven't built up but have built up around other operating systems instead.
The main exception being that there are some proprietary tools that are pretty explicitly not supported on linux which require windows or macos.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#174Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!
Is it confirmed that Intel's drivers on Linux aren't doing this too?
Intel drivers are part of the kernel, and I imagine Intel's attempt to put telemetry in them would be shut down fairly quickly by Linus Torvalds.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#175Windows and its ecosystem have already become a telemetry monster; if you're fine with everything else, you ought to be fine with this. The linked Intel support page shows the simple instructions for opting out of the telemetry. Having said that, 2022 was already the year of the Linux desktop. Everything works. KDE gets better every week. Be the owner of your technology. Join us!
You might want to into who makes Linux. Intel wrote 23% of the changes for kernel 6.0 and AMD wrote 32%. https://lwn.net/Articles/909625/
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Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#176How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? For the record: I'm a graphics driver engineer myself.
> How can engineers working on this even look at themselves without being ashamed? These aren't engineering decisions but marketing ones. The role of an engineer is to engineer a solution, not make business decisions. The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.
> The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place.
Yes, they should, because it's those engineers that are implementing the decision. It doesn't matter even a little whether or not they were one of the decisionmakers.
The engineers implementing things like this should be deeply ashamed.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The decision to turn telemetry on by default was not taken by an engineer, so engineers at intel shouldn't feel ashamed of anything at first place. And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing…
> And this lack of accountability is exactly why our world is the way it is. Just remember anyone can justify evil behavior if they try hard enough. Why? because people are not basically good by nature. They are basically evil by nature. Observe any 2-3 year old throwing a fit and you might begin to grasp the concept. There is no "lack of accountability" anywhere in that story. Nothing done here was illegal, nor "evi…
I don't agree with the perspective that if there's no law against doing a thing, that makes it OK to do the thing.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well let's ask HN: How many of us click accept on those annoying cookie dialogs or have an extension do it for them? And how many take the time to find the reject button and/or install appropriate extensions that will do the rejection? I'm in the second category but I'm sure the first one is the majority, mostly because they just don't care.
Those pesky popups keep reappearing on each visit until you hit accept. Once you accept, they never bother you again. Not sure there is a way around besides aggressive anti-tracking extensions / DNS servers etc.
Use the annoyances block lists on ublock origin, gets rid of them on most any bigger site. Annoyances isn't on by default bc mainstream users would get too frustrated with the occasional breakage it may cause.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Everything works. I'm a video games developer. Neither PS5, Xbox nor Switch toolchains work under linux - not to mention that actual proper Visual Studio doesn't and that alone is worth staying on windows for. For playing games though - sure, Linux is already great. Steam Deck proves that by playing pretty much everything flawlessly.
Also good luck in convincing Native Instruments and other musical instrument developers to also compile their plug-ins for Linux.
Ubuntu Studio LTS has VST bridges using WineLib.
Re: PSA: Intel Graphics Drivers Now Collect Telemetry by Default
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not aware of any laws in the US or in Europe that generically prevent "phoning home". There are laws that limit your ability to collect certain types of sensitive information without some quasi-meaningful user consent, but most telemetry goes around this by notionally not collecting PII. The gotcha is that in practice, most companies don't put a whole lot of effort into making sure there's no incidental PII in th…
> but most telemetry goes around this by notionally not collecting PII. The problem is that an IP address is considered PII and is inherently sent in any HTTP request, so you could argue that any non-essential request to any third-party should be opt-in since it contains PII.
Unless you have a contract stating the non-collection of PII, the you can wash your hands. OTOH, it's just as easy to be willfully blind about that.