Are meet’s terms any better?
And I'm curious what Team's current terms are too.
I would be very surprised to find out they're not legally obliged to guarantee dumpster fire netcode and worst possible UI out of all the competitors.
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#12OK big question
If Jitsi doesn't require a user account, how do they prevent a bunch of random bots using up all their resources with sybil attacks?
How do they pay for all that bandwidth, for TURN servers etc?
What are the economics of it basically
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#13Are meet’s terms any better?
And I'm curious what Team's current terms are too.
If no one answers I'll ask internally (I'm in Microsoft but just an engineer and not in teams), I can tell you that in our org we don't have access to customer data, actual customer data is encrypted anyway and every access to a production machine is recorded, audited and has to be justified legally (and is very rare to the point I haven't _actually_ seen it done except to literally learn how to go through the process on a machine with no dat).
I'm also curious what the ToS says about teams, if it allows it I'd be pretty disgusted and I was very surprised Zoom does this..
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#14As important as drawing the casus belli is laying out alternatives. What are the alternatives to Zoom, supporting Linux, OSX, mobile and Windows, with decent terms of use?
The page suggests using Jitsi instead ( https://meet.jit.si/ ), which is apparently open source and can be self-hosted. I've never used it, just pointing at what the page suggests.
It's easy enough to host as a small set of containers behind a reverse proxy. Bandwidth is the main bottleneck in my experience, but there is peer to peer to some degree.
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#15OK big question If Jitsi doesn't require a user account, how do they prevent a bunch of random bots using up all their resources with sybil attacks? How do they pay for all that bandwidth, for TURN servers etc? What are the economics of it basically
It probably does STUN but not TURN and relies on the actual data going through P2P, that's what most services that are free do and for a lot of orgs/cases it works pretty well.
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#16OK big question If Jitsi doesn't require a user account, how do they prevent a bunch of random bots using up all their resources with sybil attacks? How do they pay for all that bandwidth, for TURN servers etc? What are the economics of it basically
What are the economics of a bunch of random bots using up all their resources with sybil attacks?
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#17> Be indemnified by me if it turns out someone else owns the IP or has their rights infringed Does this mean Zoom expects their users to take on the legal burden if someone on a call uses a copyrighted image on a PowerPoint slide?
100%
Make no mistake, zoom will prevail in court or any legal proceedings that may come up around this for at least a few years if not indefinitely.
It would take an act of literally Congress or a court ruling that they can’t do this.
So, the only way to get into court and win on this is to have zoom “injure” someone (hard to prove), then that injured person has to have enough money to pay a law firm for lengthy trials with zoom including, to be sure, multiple higher court appeals.
Bottom line, for zoom to be prevented from doing any of this it’s going to cost probably in the millions of dollars of legal fees and fairly significant numbers of people who were injured by this before anything could start to happen to make something like this not possible.
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#18Between this and the "RTO or GTFO" story going around on Blind, my new conspiracy theory is there is some kind of power struggle going on at zoom leadership and the senior leadership team is intent on burning zoom to the ground.
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#19> Be indemnified by me if it turns out someone else owns the IP or has their rights infringed Does this mean Zoom expects their users to take on the legal burden if someone on a call uses a copyrighted image on a PowerPoint slide?
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#20> Be indemnified by me if it turns out someone else owns the IP or has their rights infringed Does this mean Zoom expects their users to take on the legal burden if someone on a call uses a copyrighted image on a PowerPoint slide?
I loathe Zoom but wouldn’t that be the right call? The person who made the infringing content is responsible?
We’ve already been through all of this with social networks, no?