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Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

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post #5

Why don't we see more of these, given that canvas and webgl and fullscreen are a thing now? Shouldn't this have put Citrix et al out of business?

WASM will probably put them out of business, given that you can recompile an entire desktop system including VNC etc. to it.

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

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We are, indeed, in a world where Jquery is now the preferable choice. Frontend development is going through what video games went through in the 80s, so much new shovelware every day that people are eventually going to get tired of it.

jQuery is completely unnecessary now, you can use the built in element selectors to do all the same stuff without pulling a huge lib in. The value in jQuery was acting as a shim to smooth over IE's deficiencies back in the day. Now, its a waste of bandwidth.

yeah, I'm very glad that we have a dozen and a half Javascript libraries that aren't jQuery instead!

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

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We are, indeed, in a world where Jquery is now the preferable choice. Frontend development is going through what video games went through in the 80s, so much new shovelware every day that people are eventually going to get tired of it.

jQuery is completely unnecessary now, you can use the built in element selectors to do all the same stuff without pulling a huge lib in. The value in jQuery was acting as a shim to smooth over IE's deficiencies back in the day. Now, its a waste of bandwidth.

jQuery is a few kilobytes not some huge libruary. You can do it n pure js but jQuery allows you to do it in less lines of code and cleaner.

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

#54
post #5

Why don't we see more of these, given that canvas and webgl and fullscreen are a thing now? Shouldn't this have put Citrix et al out of business?

There is also https://www.windows93.net/

Oh wow, such nostalgia for the simpler days! Thanks for sharing! :-)

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

#55
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I agree. There is no bandwidth wasted when using a popular CDN just drop it in and enjoy the simplicity it still ads to the already nice as well JavaScript methods.

It's fine if you don't want to call it a waste of bandwidth, but bandwidth is definitely still used because browsers don't share caches between domains https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-ca... .

Silly point as jQuery is a few kilobytes meanwhile your custom font is a few megs.

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

#56
post #28

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I hear PHP is a pretty good language nowdays. Now, if we could just optionally drop the $ sign from the beginning of every variable and use them only for string templating ;).

What is so special about string templates that they should be have a different naming scheme? And $ really won't ease your life to search with regexp. Would it only depends on my own preferences, I would use only letters and dash for any identifier in code bases I work with.

> What is so special about string templates that they should be have a different naming scheme?

The fact that you have to distinguish between literal strings and interpolated values

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

#58
post #12

I took a peek at the "Explorer" app code base. PHP + JS + jQuery, but surprisingly readable (but a lot of practices in there that are not exactly considered "best" today). Perhaps we have sunk too deep into the SPA/API rabbit hole that we can no longer appreciate simplicity. https://gitlab.com/hsleisink/orb/-/blob/master/public/apps/e... https://gitlab.com/hsleisink/orb/-/blob/master/public/apps/e...

> but a lot of practices in there that are not exactly considered "best" today

You mean fashionable?

> Perhaps we have sunk too deep into the SPA/API rabbit hole that we can no longer appreciate simplicity

I’m certain of it.

Re: Orb is a free and open source web desktop

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post #55

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It's fine if you don't want to call it a waste of bandwidth, but bandwidth is definitely still used because browsers don't share caches between domains https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-ca... .

Silly point as jQuery is a few kilobytes meanwhile your custom font is a few megs.

It’s not a silly point. It’s clarifying a misconception that was long used as an argument for using CDNs to deliver script assets like jQuery, which was being repeated here in context.
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