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Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lab has a patent though which a lows for disclosure while also profiting from it. Thus I am not totally convinced of your claims.

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What would you suggest? Do you have any specific reforms to the laws regarding patents in mind? What would happen in those cases?

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

#112
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lab has a patent though which a lows for disclosure while also profiting from it. Thus I am not totally convinced of your claims.

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The same investors and executives who bankrolled development since the original synthesis of the material back in 99 without any guarantee of a result?

Which would create future incentives for a lot of people to invest their money into a lot of high risk, high reward science that takes years to do?

Really hard to see that as something negative.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

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this video sent by one of the original authors to the NY Times is the most significant peace of evidence to me: https://vp.nyt.com/video/2023/08/03/110377_1_03superconducto...

Couldn't this be explained by magnetism alone? How does it show superconductivity?

This man claims to have reproduced the same kind of effects with a simple ferromagnetic sample:

https://nitter.net/VanGennepD/status/1688052003216261120

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

#114

Why is it necessary for other labs to produce the material themselves to verify the claims? The original authors claim they produced some superconductive material, can't they simply offer their samples to other labs to verify?

>Why is it _necessary_ for other labs to produce the material themselves to _verify_ the claims?

I highlighted "necessary" and "verify" because your wording of your question somewhat hides the motivations of the labs.

Multiple labs around the world are not just doing a "homework assignment" to academically verify someone else's work. Instead, the tantalizing idea of a "room-temperature superconductor" would be a miracle material and That Scientific Leap In Progress is why independent labs are racing to reproduce it.

Same excitement of so-called "replication" would happen if somebody put out a plausible "cold fusion" paper or a workable synthesis of a new "drug molecule" to cure cancer. Multiple labs around the world would be motivated to implement their own cold fusion machine and cancer drug. It isn't "necessary" that they replicate it. Instead, they're genuinely excited about making their own miracle devices/drugs and possibly extending the scientific discoveries beyond the original authors' findings.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

#115
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lab has a patent though which a lows for disclosure while also profiting from it. Thus I am not totally convinced of your claims.

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You're right, but also, nothing stops you from making your own ambient temperature superconductor and donate it to humanity.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

#116

Why is it necessary for other labs to produce the material themselves to verify the claims? The original authors claim they produced some superconductive material, can't they simply offer their samples to other labs to verify?

Reproducibly is kinda a cornerstone of academia. This isn’t a product sneak peak.

This is about material that didn't exist before.

The existence and effect of it should suffice.

How it is produced is a later step.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

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Why is it necessary for other labs to produce the material themselves to verify the claims? The original authors claim they produced some superconductive material, can't they simply offer their samples to other labs to verify?

That would prove that they'd done it, but not that anyone knew how (including the original authors). If this is going to be useful, we need to know how to make it.

It could be reverse-engineered.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're right, but also, nothing stops you from making your own ambient temperature superconductor and donate it to humanity.

Maybe there are no other room temperature superconductors in this universe.

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

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How hard would it be to get false positive results here?

In other words, if I put a lump of random stuff without any real interesting properties and a very motivated and sleep deprived scientist in a lab with all possible test equipment, what would be a probability of getting some kind of test result that would look yellow or green in that table?

Re: Compilation of claims/reports of LK-99 replication efforts

#120
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lab has a patent though which a lows for disclosure while also profiting from it. Thus I am not totally convinced of your claims.

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If they are restrictive and/or greedy with licensing, that is. A huge ton of cheap-ish licenses would rake in a fortune too, it doesn't have to go the e-ink way. But if it did, it might actually be worse: There's no reason why Chinese companies couldn't just ignore that patent like they do others. Pretty much unchecked innovation free for all inside the Chinese market (extending to Russia at least) vs. hardly anyone able to do anything in the West would make for an interesting situation, to say the least. Even the US Military-Industrial Complex couldn't outright ignore such a patent I think.
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