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Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

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Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#51
Matches my sentiments pretty well.

My way out is two-fold - it is still work in progress, so take it as an attempt rather than a solution:

1. Stay at the soul-sucking job a bit to gain cash and invest in assets that generate passive income

2. Find a time slot in your day or week that is absolutely sacred and do what you consider creative and fulfilling. That you're able to allocate only a tiny fraction of a day to creatively fulfilling work will hurt. But I'm hoping slowly you identify yourself more with this fraction than what you do to for the 8 hours.

Been trying to do this for a little under a year now and there are some good days and some bad days, but I think it keeps me sane. Will need 5ish years to know whether it's really working.

(Edit: formatting)

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#52

For older people, do you ever find what you are looking for, at least at a reasonable price? I was once the way of OP but then decided that fixing that would involve mostly eliminating other people (and I am highly risk averse, so doing my own thing is not acceptable to me) and I decided that was not feasible. So I embraced apathy and am now the time killing bureaucrat calling meetings about status codes that both OP…

So, you have basically killed your soul?

Suppress it yourself while at work, or the job will do it for you.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#53
Reading the article, to me this sounds like a person who turned their hobby into their job, reasonably common in our industry and for anyone who ends up doing this, it will mostly end in frustration.

> Consider a painter who is used to getting inspired and painting in long sessions. Imagine that they find themselves in a corporate setting where they can’t follow their intuitions and have to follow the laid-out process.

Imagine a "team" of painters who all need to come up with a cohesive end result? You can't have Frank doing a bit of cubism in the bottom-left corner and Mitch doing some abstract realism in the top-right. And the reason you work in a team is because is most scenarios, having a single person doing all the work is a liability, especially when it comes to knowledge work.

The work is based on a "brief", i.e. a set of requirements. These are given to you and with your knowledge and experience it is up to you (together with your team) to come up with the best result (taking into account a lot of trade offs such as cost, delivery schedule, maintainability etc). The work you deliver is not your work, it belongs to your client/employer.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#54
Half of what he’s talking about is not bullshit, but rather a natural part of working with people who don’t live inside your own head.

But I feel his pain about all these frictions. It’s why I prefer working as an outsider; a consultant and teacher. I have much more control over my work, and rarely have to interact with Jira.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#55
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"Contrary to popular belief, burnout isn’t caused by a lack of work-life balance. It’s driven more by the lack of ability to do meaningful work." Couldn't agree more. I wish I was more like my peers who don't seem to get as fully invested in their work (emotionally, mentally, etc)...but if I'm dedicating 40 hours a week to something, it's hard to continue if the work isn't aligned with what I define as meaningful. Li…

Getting paid well enough to afford a satisfying lifestyle is pretty meaningful, IMO. Is that not enough?

I think the term golden handcuffs would apply here and I’d say it’s not enough. If the basic necessities were affordable, I might put my skills into a completely different field than the one I’m in. Unfortunately, everyone is hoarding money, which means I have to hoard money (or make as much as humanly possible).

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

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"Contrary to popular belief, burnout isn’t caused by a lack of work-life balance. It’s driven more by the lack of ability to do meaningful work." Couldn't agree more. I wish I was more like my peers who don't seem to get as fully invested in their work (emotionally, mentally, etc)...but if I'm dedicating 40 hours a week to something, it's hard to continue if the work isn't aligned with what I define as meaningful. Li…

Getting paid well enough to afford a satisfying lifestyle is pretty meaningful, IMO. Is that not enough?

If your job was to watch paint dry for 8 uninterrupted hours every day, but you were paid $150k/year, do you think you would feel happy and fulfilled?

being absurd, of course, but there are degrees to everything.

I think we can all agree that everyone has some lower boundary for “needs interesting day-to-day activities” — some folks just have different amounts.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#57
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"Contrary to popular belief, burnout isn’t caused by a lack of work-life balance. It’s driven more by the lack of ability to do meaningful work." Couldn't agree more. I wish I was more like my peers who don't seem to get as fully invested in their work (emotionally, mentally, etc)...but if I'm dedicating 40 hours a week to something, it's hard to continue if the work isn't aligned with what I define as meaningful. Li…

Being annoyed at your job is not burnout.

It can definitely contribute, though, right?

Being annoyed at the same things for a long time can really sap your enjoyment and motivation.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#58
I used to feel like this person, and I'd find myself alternating between burnout and enthusiasm every few months as project work ebbed and flowed. Going between the two peaks was exhausting and every crash back down to burnout felt horrible.

My solution was to go and do something fulfilling in my spare time, force myself to stick at it, and not work a second longer than I was obligated to. Keeping my mind busy and satisfied over a longer period of time forced the "work thoughts" out of my head eventually, and made it much easier to detach at the end of each day.

Working from home meant I could turn my 1 hour commute each morning and evening into 2x1 hour to work on something fun for myself. A few months of doing that and I started to feel substantially better, I'd even look forward to the slow periods that would previously have bummed me out - at the end of the day the bastards still have to pay me, and I have less work to do so it's a win-win for me.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#59
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being annoyed at your job is not burnout.

It can definitely contribute, though, right? Being annoyed at the same things for a long time can really sap your enjoyment and motivation.

Sure, but that's still a distinct thing. When burned out you physically can't put yourself into performing the job (and often other things in your life too) regardless of your motivation or desire. Being demotivated may but does not necessarily lead into that state; it's not necessary for it to occur either.

Re: Why I Find Bullshit Work Intolerable

#60

If you think your job isn't BS you probably haven't read enough adversarial content. 0) The Conspiracy Against The Human Race 1) The Machine Stops 2) The One Dimensional Man 3) A City Is Not A Tree 4) Influence 5) La Technique 6) anything from James C. Scott 7) ... Figuring out the links is left as an exercise to the reader.

What’s adversarial content?

Are you referring to “la technique”, the cookbook?

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