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I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Tangential anecdote: I needed a crown some years ago, and did some research on what materials to go with. It turns out gold is more biocompatible, safer for the opposing tooth, and will last something like twice as long. It's not much more expensive, even as the price of gold increases.

But the first dentist I talked to wanted to do some kind of ceramic, and didn't even suggest gold. The second one, I said I wanted gold, and he seemed relieved, saying that was the far better choice, but that he basically never brings it up any more because it has gone out of style.

...it really bothers me that neither of them would have mentioned the safer, superior, more durable option even as just that, an option. :-X

I wonder if this might be an interesting litmus test.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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In the US it's not easy to find a primary care provider also. When we moved couple of years ago and called a local medical center to establish a primary care provider, we were given answers like "we have the nearest appointments in 6-8 months". If you have something urgent, there's telemedicine line where you can talk to advice nurse or if there's something really urgent, get an appointment with an urgent care doctor…

rich enough so you can afford personal concierge A few minutes research suggests it's not that expensive. (As little as ~2000/year).

For most people, that's expensive.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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This is very true. I had a SO with severe chronic gastric pain and they got passed around by doctors for years. One jerk wrote "drug seeking behavior" into her file and that made things even worse. Finally someone took her seriously, got imagery done, and discovered surgery was necessary. In US healthcare you have to be your own advocate and be willing to push. The system breaks down if you don't have a routine and o…

It's not specific to the US. It's the problem of doctors seeing every particular patient for literally minutes and having zero incentive to dig deeper. 90% of the problems are of the nature that is either covered by standard remedies or will pass by itself with time. If you have one of the 10%, you need to have good luck to encounter an extra-ordinary doctor that would take personal interest in your problem, usually…

>extra-ordinary

It’s just “extraordinary”.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I've posted this before, but I went to a new dentist one time and though I'd never had a cavity, the new dentist said I had nine, some of which were pretty bad and needed immediate treatment lest they require a root canal. I didn't have any money or dental insurance at the time, so I didn't go back and just worried about it a lot for a while. That was twenty-five years ago. Haven't been to a dentist since. My teeth a…

To back this up, I used to go to the dentist regularly as a child. I got the regular cleaning and such until I went to college and had to pay for things myself. I didn't have any dental insurance so I stopped going around then.

Maybe 10 years later, after countless people warning me that I was gambling with my health by never going to a dentist, I thought I'd try again. I went to the local university dental school, where they need problems to work on.

They told me I was totally fine.

I haven't been to a dentist in the maybe 15 years since that experience. It turns out there is almost no evidence to support routine cleanings or consulting with a dentist.

HN anecdotal data is not medical advice - but if you aren't suffering from any dental issues, it could be worth your time to do some research before you schedule your next dental appointment, and if you get a diagnosis of an issue it might be worth a second opinion. I highly recommend checking to see if your local dental school is taking appointments, because they have no incentive to push additional procedures on you (they can always find somebody who really needs it).

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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At the very end of the article: "This article originally ran in the February 1997 issue of Reader’s Digest." Surely this should be noted in the HN title?

Oh wow thanks for posting this. I read this and was thinking “I feel like deja vu from an article I was reading in a physical copy of RD from like 20 years ago” but the bottom seemed to indicate it was originally posted in 2020.

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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well.. "twice a year".. but your insurance policy probably says 1 every 181 days.. just to rob you of the actual twice a year.. #america

Ummm...a year is longer than 2 x 181 days...so what is being robbed exactly?

The comment was actually a critique of the US education system :)

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I have jank government insurance and this is not true. When I got out of prison and had no insurance I went to the city's clinics. Wait times have never been an issue (at most was two weeks for specialist). The doctors in the clinic were also friggin amazing doctors/people. I had a ton of shame around getting out of prison, some much shame about needing to get tests ran for HIV/Hep from being in prison but they were…

I'm always surprised when people leave comments like these, based on nothing but N=1 anecdata. You don't have any authority to say something like "this is not true" with regards to the whole of the American healthcare experience. Compared to my own personal experience, yours was uncommonly-good. Wait times for specialists for my SO's heart condition are routinely several months out.

What this demonstrates is that wait times are widely variable by specialty and region. Arguments like "for most Americans" are wrong on their face, because most Americans don't live in the same area or have the same issues.

My wife and I have both had to see various specialists. Some had very long wait times, many didn't, and of those that did, we were (fortunately) able to call around to different clinics to find one that wasn't too bad.

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What? My dentist told me teeth whitening is not part of regular cleaning, and I'd pay extra for whitening. I also drink a lot of tea and coffee, and unless I pay extra, I don't get any whitening.

They are referring to the fact that drinking tea often stains your teeth and pretty easily. Black teas are heavy in tannins which do all of the staining. I found that getting the fluoride paste applied at the end of each cleaning actually helps reduce the tea staining. (My teeth used to stain pretty bad)

My hygienist recommended the Crest 3D White toothpaste to help with my staining. I’ve been using it for about nine months now . I didn’t solve things completely but my teeth definitely look better and my last visit was at least ten minutes shorter.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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post #180

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well.. "twice a year".. but your insurance policy probably says 1 every 181 days.. just to rob you of the actual twice a year.. #america

Ummm...a year is longer than 2 x 181 days...so what is being robbed exactly?

It is just another “gotcha”. Oh you wanted to do your visit the week before vacation rather than when you get back? Sorry, that was only 179 days between visits, so your coverage is denied.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I've posted this before, but I went to a new dentist one time and though I'd never had a cavity, the new dentist said I had nine, some of which were pretty bad and needed immediate treatment lest they require a root canal. I didn't have any money or dental insurance at the time, so I didn't go back and just worried about it a lot for a while. That was twenty-five years ago. Haven't been to a dentist since. My teeth a…

Similar experience with an extra twist.

I hadn't been to a dentist in 10 years, not even for a cleaning. I chipped tooth and went in to get it fixed.

The dentist tried to upsell me on a ton of things that needed to be looked at.

Never once mentioned that it looked like I hadn't had a cleaning in a while.

I got my tooth fixed (just a bit of bonding), never had any of the other work he recommended done.

I went to a new dentist a few months ago because I was starting to get some sensitivity and exposure at a gum, which I thought was really bad. He said it wasn't a big deal, fixed it up, but then says he wants to cap all of my teeth!

Happy to be reading this and think I'll wait on getting any more work.

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