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I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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This is very true. I had a SO with severe chronic gastric pain and they got passed around by doctors for years. One jerk wrote "drug seeking behavior" into her file and that made things even worse. Finally someone took her seriously, got imagery done, and discovered surgery was necessary. In US healthcare you have to be your own advocate and be willing to push. The system breaks down if you don't have a routine and o…

How is this problem specific to the US? I live in Germany and hear exactly the same problem of needing to be your own advocate in northern Europe.

Also in Europe and most doctors just want to get you out of the office. I've met only a few doctors who actually care and will work with you to figure out the issue. The equivalent in software engineering would be waiting for my client to tell me what line to change in what file.

To be fair, doctors are usually overworked and on a human level I understand that the system is a bit broken, but it's still infuriating when it's your health that is suffering.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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The same is true for healthcare generally in my experience. Very bad advice is often given. I can't really common about the US, but here in the UK the quality of healthcare is shocking bad. Although we may have the opposite problem, where instead of doing unnecessary procedures to increase costs, the NHS generally tries to avoid doing anything unless you're dying. I had some pain in my abdomen a few years back and ha…

>The same is true for healthcare generally in my experience. Very bad advice is often given. I have seen this in my personal life time and again. I have seen it in my professional life time and again. The only way though the mine field is to take personal ownership over your Healthcare, you need to learn more about what ailes you than the doctors know. You need to be confident in this knowledge enough to challenge th…

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> The only way though the mine field is to take personal ownership over your Healthcare

Shortly after graduating from university, when I no longer had access to student health, I started hunting for a regular family physician. The guy I found... my first "let's get to know each other/annual physical" kind of appointment he said "Look, I don't know if you noticed but there are a lot of people out in the waiting room. My staff here is great, but things happen. Maybe they call you with test results and you miss the voicemail. Maybe the lab forgets to send the results. Maybe the fax from the lab gets stuck to another piece of paper. We're all human here, and I try really hard to treat each one of my patients as a real human and not just a list of symptoms on a page. If I'm going to be your doctor, there's only one thing I ask: be your own advocate. If you're expecting to hear back from us and you don't, or if you feel like we've missed something, or you have questions, or... anything really, please don't hesitate to follow up. I promise I'm going to do my best to look after your health, but you care about it more than anyone else in the world. Does that work for you?"

He was, by far, the best damned doctor I've ever had. And then, apparently, one day he had a serious family emergency back home and vanished, never to return :(.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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>> I’m not a conspiracy nut. I believe in listening to experts (but ultimately making an informed decision). I believe in modern medicine. But that experience shook me and forever changed my trust in the dental industry. Ask anybody who’s experienced a “chronic” illness about the “experts” and they’ll tell you a tale or two. The experts are great until they have a case that is unusual. The don’t have the time or know…

This is very true. I had a SO with severe chronic gastric pain and they got passed around by doctors for years. One jerk wrote "drug seeking behavior" into her file and that made things even worse. Finally someone took her seriously, got imagery done, and discovered surgery was necessary. In US healthcare you have to be your own advocate and be willing to push. The system breaks down if you don't have a routine and o…

It's not specific to the US. It's the problem of doctors seeing every particular patient for literally minutes and having zero incentive to dig deeper. 90% of the problems are of the nature that is either covered by standard remedies or will pass by itself with time. If you have one of the 10%, you need to have good luck to encounter an extra-ordinary doctor that would take personal interest in your problem, usually while all incentives point to "give the standard answer and move on" behavior.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Now imagine doing this on Canadian healthcare, having to wait months or years for each appointment, and nowadays they try to talk you into MAID to save resources…

Absolutely true, and that is if you even have a family doctor to refer you to a specialist. For those who had the luck to lose their family doctor (mine through retirement), it is impossible to find one that takes new patients. Many retired during covid, many more only work part time. The Canadian health care is a disaster at this point, and those who have a family doctor have no clue how awful this is.

In the US it's not easy to find a primary care provider also. When we moved couple of years ago and called a local medical center to establish a primary care provider, we were given answers like "we have the nearest appointments in 6-8 months". If you have something urgent, there's telemedicine line where you can talk to advice nurse or if there's something really urgent, get an appointment with an urgent care doctor. But all primary care providers seem to be booked solid for months. And given how many patients they'd have and how often they see each one, establishing any kind of personal care relationship is out of the question. How personal can it be if you can see you doctor twice a year for 20 minutes? I think the only solution is go get rich enough so you can afford personal concierge doctors or however it is called (no idea since I'm not rich enough).

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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> gender dysphoria (5% of young adults now) In no country is it true that 5% of young adults have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. The Pew Research article that you linked only looks at how people identify themselves.

Right, but why has it been normalized? This is a disorder according to DSM V, and the word “dysphoria” also suggests profound discomfort and unease. Like “body dysmorphic disorders” like anorexia (another issue for young girls).

Perhaps people are trivializing the actual affliction and are “appropriating” the identity the way it has been done with blackface or wearing drag for the fun of it etc. I actually hope so since the opposite would imply a lot of psychological torment. But regardless, we must once again look at society and upstream issues.

For example, if a girl preferred traditionally male activities, today that is 1 of 2 criteria she needs to be considered as having gender dysphoria, while in the past she’d be called a Tomboy before. That was a normal acceptable category for explaining her tendencies. It didn’t come with an assumption that she is “REALLY” a boy inside and should make a decision on whether to take advantage of the latest technology to physically transition her gender before she hits puberty. And to be fair, the amount of people undergoing hormone blockers or surgeries is still low compared to the number of young kids who identify as trans. But if the capitalist psych and pharma industries have their way, they’ll push it to increase.

Most tomboys eventually changed as they got older, it was a phase, and it was contextualized differently by society. Also they had a mom at home, raising them, etc. Today both parents are away. School administrators cover their butt and say the parents can’t be notified and even if they do, they have no say. A lot of the industry increasingly is pushing ONE interpretation on all cases. An interpretstion that didn’t exist even 10 years ago. This is an experiment in novel interpretations and it’s not working well so far in terms of mental health outcomes.

Many times throughout history we had such interpretations (eg Hysteria for women, or chemical castration for gays) it turned out that the problem was societal.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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This is very true. I had a SO with severe chronic gastric pain and they got passed around by doctors for years. One jerk wrote "drug seeking behavior" into her file and that made things even worse. Finally someone took her seriously, got imagery done, and discovered surgery was necessary. In US healthcare you have to be your own advocate and be willing to push. The system breaks down if you don't have a routine and o…

Now imagine doing this on Canadian healthcare, having to wait months or years for each appointment, and nowadays they try to talk you into MAID to save resources…

This is not true.

I mean, the wait times sometimes are, but they vary by province. More conservative provinces have worse wait times. That is not surprising given that the provincial conservative government are all actively attempting to sabotage public healthcare so we can move to an American style system. A system where we will all pay more, and still see similar wait times anyway.

MAID is not actively proposed as a way to save resources.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My son when 3 had a fall and a few teeth were bent. Went to our local dentist who mostly had a wait and see opinion. But then calls a day later and says they’ve decided they should just come out. Two top front teeth. Would have no top front teeth for years. I went into engineer mode and while I acknowledged I didn’t have domain expertise, I asked questions and probed the whole situation. Very unsatisfactory, meanderi…

I'm not from the U.S. but I was that kid. I broke my teeth when I was 6. My dad took me to the local dentist who told me to "leave him as it is" for a decade. Except my teeth were my second teeth, and they were half broken. I was walking around with half-blackened by the rot teeth, which caused all sorts of health problems on top of all the bullying and the first kiss kids tend to take came to me after I fixed the te…

the dentist regularly examined you and doubled down on "leave him as it is" thoughout a decade?

while a dentist should of course make sure to double check if its the permanent teeth and all that, I feel that your dad did not really fulfill his role as a proper parent here

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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>> I’m not a conspiracy nut. I believe in listening to experts (but ultimately making an informed decision). I believe in modern medicine. But that experience shook me and forever changed my trust in the dental industry. Ask anybody who’s experienced a “chronic” illness about the “experts” and they’ll tell you a tale or two. The experts are great until they have a case that is unusual. The don’t have the time or know…

This whole fear of being labeled a "conspiracy nut" for exploring less trodden paths needs to end. Calling people conspiracy nuts for looking behind curtains they shouldn't was a good tactic by various entities to cover up secrets and misdeeds, but it has spilled over into the non political arena and poisoned everything. Humans don't have a full understanding of everything, and in fact it's quite the opposite, in tha…

The earth is not 6000 years old

God didn’t do it

Gravity is the curvature of spacetime

Things are not attracted to the planet through static electricity

Covid is real

Vaccines work

Rich mother fuckers do NOT have our best interests at heart

Intelligent aliens have not visited earth

People are called conspiracy nuts for being conspiracy nuts. Not for “taking less trodden paths”. Getting real tired of the HNs new “wahh wahh, we’re such major victims for believing stupid shit and being called out on it!” And just trying to paint it as “less trodden paths”.

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>>expensive products with the property that they usually work well, but sometimes become flaky. Think a washing machine. that is a different problem, consumerism killed that. There used to be several media companies that focused on long term durability of "durable goods" like washing machines and such But today most people buy new appliances not when they fail but when they need to upgrade to the latest technology, o…

That may be true for a lot of folks, but that's not the only issue. From my experience, the biggest issue is that a lot of the appliances and other gadgets we have these days are very complex. You have to be an electrical engineers, software engineer and a mechanical engineer, or a big service company that employs all three, to be able to fix anything. Additionally it's sometimes really difficult to find service manu…

> If your doodat is flashing error code E-71-X1-C and the user manual you have just says "call for service", what are you going to do about it?

Call for service.

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