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I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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It was so jarring coming from France in the late 80s to the US and going to the dentist. In France, the dentist's office was one woman, was the dentist and ran her office (Scheduling, seeing patients, etc...) She had modified her house so she ran her practice from a wing of her house. It was modern at the time, sanitary and she was a very nice dentist, but no assistants or anything. It was very much 1 patient at a time, you waited in the waiting room. At the time, though I was a child, I don't remember cleanings being a thing, just an occasional visit (maybe every 2 years for adults) or you went if something hurt. My family had means but we would still pay partially with mutuelle coupons everyone was given by the government. (Not sure how this works, I was young)

Moved to the US in the early 90s, the dental practice in the US, holy moly! TVs with cartoons mounted to the ceiling, a bunch of staff from office workers dealing with insurance and scheduling to dental assistants. Then 1 or 2 dentist moving from patient to patient sequentially. It was a business first.

I don't know what it's like in France now, this was in the north, in a traditionally not affluent area (though my family was by all standards affluent). Has it become more like the US now? I don't which one is best, I do know all my grandparents (who were not affluent) had full dentures by the time they were 60.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Frequent cleanings are nice though. As an avid tea drinker it's nice to have white teeth again once or twice a year. The insurance covers most of the cost, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

once or twice isn't "frequent" in the USA. I'd guess you're in another country? Most Dentists here say 2 times a year. I had one who suggested every 4 months and I refused. I go every 9 months now, to split the difference between 6 and 12

We go twice a year (NL). But we also lived in Germany for a while where it was once a year and they wouldn't do the extra polishing/whitening unless you paid a lot extra. But I think for a long time you also had to pay extra in Germany to get white composite filling, insurance would only cover amalgam fillings.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My initial Invisalign treatment consisted of approximately 30 trays (invisible aligners) for a total of $5,000, covering all expenses. However, after completing the 30th aligner, my dentist determined that I required additional aligners. Today, approaching my 45th aligner, but it didn't incur any additional charges for the extra aligners. I'm curious about the reason behind not having to pay more.

During each monthly visit, the dentist evaluates my progress by conducting scans (done by the intern) and occasionally cleaning my teeth. The process was quite straightforward, and appears to be much simpler compared to making adjustments for traditional braces.

I'm interested in finding real cost for Invisalign trays and what share get the dentist

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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>> I’m not a conspiracy nut. I believe in listening to experts (but ultimately making an informed decision). I believe in modern medicine. But that experience shook me and forever changed my trust in the dental industry. Ask anybody who’s experienced a “chronic” illness about the “experts” and they’ll tell you a tale or two. The experts are great until they have a case that is unusual. The don’t have the time or know…

Same experience here. My analysis is it's a money milking scheme between groups of doctors. Pass you around so everyone gets a cut and they cross refer people to scratch each other's backs. Surgeon refers you to pain management and pain management refers you to surgeon. Add in a physical therapist, testing facility, and chiropractor and you got a pretty lucrative meshnet of referrals going.

Hanlons razor

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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For those reading who may be unfamiliar, "gangsta rap/drill music" is a common conspiracy-theory shibboleth. Has been for the last ten (drill) to thirty (rap) years. Between that and the water-carrying for anti-trans bigots, this has no place here.

On the contrary, discussing institutional dogma has a major place on HN because the hacker ethos is to question authority and the official narratives of the dominant system we are embedded in. Or at least it used to be… now a larger number of people on HN support centralized power in the form of corporations, state governments, CBDCs, etc. while also bitterly complaining about the downstream results of their exercise…

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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The same is true for healthcare generally in my experience. Very bad advice is often given. I can't really common about the US, but here in the UK the quality of healthcare is shocking bad. Although we may have the opposite problem, where instead of doing unnecessary procedures to increase costs, the NHS generally tries to avoid doing anything unless you're dying. I had some pain in my abdomen a few years back and ha…

I lived in Argentina for a few years. There are plenty of problems with their public healthcare system that pretty much mirror any country with a troubled economy, but one day a work colleague recommended I visit the Favoloro Institute. I’ve never seen such an impressive healthcare organization in my life. They time their appointments ever 2 minutes so you’re expected to arrive early. Once you start, they wiz you aro…

Interesting. I too lived abroad in argentina for a few years... the healthcare there is actually pretty impressive. I had my tonsils removed, I had a crown put on my molar, dermatolgist appointments, etc. Even a podatrist and custom orthotics... From now on... anything major - I am flying back to get things done.

USA healthcare system burns me out.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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It's not just the dental industry that's like this. A lot of medicine is subjective, and a lot of doctors have poor "debugging" skills and do the equivalent of print statements to try to diagnose an issue (guess and check).

print statements are not a bad practice

I might expect more when it comes to my health, though

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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>> It doesn't really matter if you see the best doctor in the world, if they can't spent the time and money running the tests you need you're not going to get a good diagnosis. Everyone in the UK should get to experience a private consultation just once. The difference between the rushed 10mins you get with the NHS and the considered 30mins you get private is amazing. You leave feeling like you’ve been taken care of…

I believe the NHS is seriously under-funded, the Tory government is responsible, and healthcare is suffering as a result. However, I do want to provide an anecdote to illustrate that private healthcare is not perfect. I had some persistent pain in my foot. Realized I wouldn't get anywhere with the NHS so I went private. The person I saw had an excellent manner. They suggested some fairly gnarly surgery. Said I should…

These feet looked like the nicest weekend ever, probably. (To the surgeon.)

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My son when 3 had a fall and a few teeth were bent. Went to our local dentist who mostly had a wait and see opinion. But then calls a day later and says they’ve decided they should just come out. Two top front teeth. Would have no top front teeth for years. I went into engineer mode and while I acknowledged I didn’t have domain expertise, I asked questions and probed the whole situation. Very unsatisfactory, meanderi…

It's not just the dental industry that's like this. A lot of medicine is subjective, and a lot of doctors have poor "debugging" skills and do the equivalent of print statements to try to diagnose an issue (guess and check).

Sometimes that's the best and cheapest way to diagnose.
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