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I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I found your comment a bit hard to follow. Did you just blame "ganst" (sic) rap for the increase in diagnosis of gender dysphoria? How does that work?

For those reading who may be unfamiliar, "gangsta rap/drill music" is a common conspiracy-theory shibboleth. Has been for the last ten (drill) to thirty (rap) years.

Between that and the water-carrying for anti-trans bigots, this has no place here.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I've posted this before, but I went to a new dentist one time and though I'd never had a cavity, the new dentist said I had nine, some of which were pretty bad and needed immediate treatment lest they require a root canal. I didn't have any money or dental insurance at the time, so I didn't go back and just worried about it a lot for a while. That was twenty-five years ago. Haven't been to a dentist since. My teeth a…

Went to a new dentist after moving. She found two "small spots that could go bad if left untreated!" and "should be drilled and filled!". A year later I am still in pain some time. Dentists are fucking psychopaths and we are literally cattle at their mercy. I have no idea how to continue, how to find a dentist I can trust with my stupid teeth. I am terribly afraid of them now.

God the heat and cold sensitivities from that crank’s fillings bugged me for ten years before they settled down.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Rule of thumb from my anecdotal experience: If the dentist's office looks all fancy and feng-shui, they're usually the kind that does pointless work (which is where the money for the fancy office comes from). You can't turn this around and say that any dentist with a humble office will be honest and only do what's necessary, but the likelihood is higher.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Have you tried a waterpik? Considering an investment there myself.

Flossing&brushing is better than a waterpik, any dentist worth their salt will tell you that. I think it's a money grab. You don't need it.

I've never used one for its intended purpose, but my wife has one. I recently had some food stuck in my gums behind my back tooth, and it got infected. I was able to use the waterpik to remove the food when I wasn't able to get into a dentist for a cleaning right away, and by the time I got the cleaning, between the waterpik and the anti-viral medicine the dentist prescribed, the infection was gone. Having it around saved me quite a bit of pain over a few days.

But I still haven't actually used it for cleaning what it's supposed to. :D

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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I found your comment a bit hard to follow. Did you just blame "ganst" (sic) rap for the increase in diagnosis of gender dysphoria? How does that work?

No, I think you made a wild connection.

I said the systemic causes of problems are upstream. I named several of them: A, B, C that exacerbates X, Y, Z. That doesn’t mean A causes Z.

Gangsta Rap may be responsible for a totally different phenomenon than gender dysphoria: namely, the increase in violence, misogyny etc. in some Black communities. With the rise of Black music moguls it became essentially self-blaxploitation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6gb1w72xA

And also influenced a lot of bad memes among many Black youth:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_white

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion)

This in turn hurt their economic chances as a class, to get high-paying jobs.

This shares elements with other similar examples, which are nevertheless distinct. For example, TikTok and Instagram harming the psyche of young teen girls, with one in three attempting suicide:

https://www.chconline.org/resourcelibrary/teen-girls-report-...

That’s insane! This was NOT the case in previous generations. But notice how few people in mainstream media talk about the upstream causes, and how they mostly discuss medicating this newfound problem away.

Similarly with diabetes, very few people talk about the prevalence of sugar in so many plants we eat (fructose in fruits for instance) or the government actually supporting high fructose corn syrup and genetically modified crops with sugar… or factory farms and so on…

https://weather.com/news/news/2018-10-03-fruit-so-sweet-zoo-...

Once you see it, you can’t unsee it:

https://magarshak.com/blog/?p=385

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My son when 3 had a fall and a few teeth were bent. Went to our local dentist who mostly had a wait and see opinion. But then calls a day later and says they’ve decided they should just come out. Two top front teeth. Would have no top front teeth for years. I went into engineer mode and while I acknowledged I didn’t have domain expertise, I asked questions and probed the whole situation. Very unsatisfactory, meanderi…

>> I’m not a conspiracy nut. I believe in listening to experts (but ultimately making an informed decision). I believe in modern medicine. But that experience shook me and forever changed my trust in the dental industry. Ask anybody who’s experienced a “chronic” illness about the “experts” and they’ll tell you a tale or two. The experts are great until they have a case that is unusual. The don’t have the time or know…

Same experience here. My analysis is it's a money milking scheme between groups of doctors. Pass you around so everyone gets a cut and they cross refer people to scratch each other's backs. Surgeon refers you to pain management and pain management refers you to surgeon. Add in a physical therapist, testing facility, and chiropractor and you got a pretty lucrative meshnet of referrals going.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My son when 3 had a fall and a few teeth were bent. Went to our local dentist who mostly had a wait and see opinion. But then calls a day later and says they’ve decided they should just come out. Two top front teeth. Would have no top front teeth for years. I went into engineer mode and while I acknowledged I didn’t have domain expertise, I asked questions and probed the whole situation. Very unsatisfactory, meanderi…

The same is true for healthcare generally in my experience. Very bad advice is often given. I can't really common about the US, but here in the UK the quality of healthcare is shocking bad. Although we may have the opposite problem, where instead of doing unnecessary procedures to increase costs, the NHS generally tries to avoid doing anything unless you're dying. I had some pain in my abdomen a few years back and ha…

> From this I found out that I have a fairly rare generic condition which makes me highly predisposed to liver disease and NAFLD. Certainly not the end of the world, but it pissed me off a bit because the disease could have progressed had I taken their advice and simply ignored it.

I was diagnosed after a blood test (in the US) but they just put me on a statin (high cholesterol medication) that fixed only what the blood test showed and did not treat the problem. Now I’m having to, with 10 fewer years than when learned it, drastically adjust my life and diet to ensure I won’t develop additional complications.

Why are we so hilariously bad at treating chronic problems?

Btw through generic genealogy, I’ve managed to pinpoint which branch of my family that this comes from and they’re all from Yorkshire. Given how rare it is, there is a nonzero chance we are cousins of some sort if you have semi-recent ancestral origins there.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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At the very end of the article: "This article originally ran in the February 1997 issue of Reader’s Digest." Surely this should be noted in the HN title?

Oh, I thought somebody repeated the experiment. I remember this was a classic article.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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>>I believe in listening to experts (but ultimately making an informed decision). The problem for the most part in all industries is we have moved from a system of experts to a system of credentials. Now one would say that in order to get a credential in something one must be an "expert" but this is far far from the truth, there are all kinds of competing incentives to ensure an ever increasing supply of "credentiale…

Systems of experts are hard to scale since you need experts that you know are experts to vouch for experts. Systems of credentials that are at least theoretically assigned by experts are the next best thing, but obviously not ideal. It’s at least better than the populist solution of anti-experts chosen on the basis of charisma or “truthiness.”

your last part is a false dilemma, because there are methods that do not required a system of credentials and also do not require populism

Your first part is more challenging because what you find is the people with true expertise in their field are often far to busy and/or have no interest in validating other experts so the people doing the validation at best are on the lowest end of the spectrum of "experts" which naturally causes the spectrum to expand.

Further you will find in many many many fields the method of obtain a credential is has no connection to another expert vouching for you, it is matter of simply passing some kind of standardized test, and completing a required amount of training

For example one that has been in the recent news is Airline Pilots where you have to have a fix number of flight hours to be a commercial pilots, many pilots get those hours by fly pipe or other utility line check operations which is done a clear day, fixed altitude, fixed path and with limited deviation. So the value of those hours would be far less than the same person flying in varied conditions, in varied locations, etc.

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