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Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

You could make an argument that number would be smaller if Apple was forced to make iMessage interoperable with Android devices.

It is interoperable already using SMS.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

You could make an argument that number would be smaller if Apple was forced to make iMessage interoperable with Android devices.

Seems like a very weak argument. Practically irrelevant for an anti-trust case I would say.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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It is all the other search engines that are crap. Plenty exist, they just suck.

I switched a while ago to DDG and about a year ago to Startpage and both are good enough.

It was sure hard to get used to because of presumption that Google has better results but after a while you don't care anymore and find what you're looking for anyway.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Apple has over 75% of 18-24 year olds with their phone in their pocket.

But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices and generally making Apple stuff only work with other Apple stuff, not to mention their 30% fees on their app store while also not allowing other app stores, are all anticompetitive practices, which the EU is well regulating soon.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices and generally making Apple stuff only work with other Apple stuff, not to mention their 30% fees on their app store while also not allowing other app stores, are all anticompetitive practices, which the EU is well regulating soon.

Some of those may be reason to bring legal action, but breaking up Apple over this seems insane.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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Apple has over 75% of 18-24 year olds with their phone in their pocket.

But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

Apple has specifically decided to not adopt texting standards, so that anyone not on an apple device can't participate in group chats.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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post #49

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If you only want one entity having your data, you're better off being abused by Apple. Google invites all his friends over to run a train on you.

Why do you think that Apple doesnt do that?

https://fossbytes.com/apple-data-collection-explained/

"Now that we’ve established that Apple collects and uses your data to serve ads, does it sell your data too? Turns out the answer is No, Apple doesn’t sell your data to third-party advertisers. The Cupertino giant possesses the exclusive rights of showing you ads on the App Store and other apps."

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

#68

It's hard to tell if it's Google's dominance causing search to suck or just the web ecosystem naturally optimizing for clicks. I will say most queries with even vaguely commercial intent do seem to get the max or nearly a full page of sponsored links. I don't recall what it was like years ago but I'm pretty sure it is worse. I also think it's pretty clear the platform take-rate needs to be generally lowered across th…

The problem here is authority. What makes you an authority on a subject? Books written? Credentials (diploma?)? References?

These things aren't all true in real life, and on the internet it's even easier to fake all of that.

In the beginning Google went by 'amount of text' (which is why you read everybody's life story on how they had sex next to a magma flow in Hawaii which created the idea of doing burnt ends on a pizza stone), references (remember all those backlinks which would boost your page). Credentials are a lot harder to track. There is no API at my school where you can put in my name and see my credentials (and all you'd see is 'we got governments subsidies for this person, which is why we let him pass').

And all of this worked at the start. Knowledgeable people naturally had references on the web, as only knowledgeable people were on the web.

Now we literally have people writing text purely to make it look like their website has more content on them, even if it is remotely related to what they serve.

Great example, even posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36740400

Or any coding problem where you end up on logrocket / some partitioning app / some generated website with which has an 'answer' for KB0000000 -> KB9999999...

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you only want one entity having your data, you're better off being abused by Apple. Google invites all his friends over to run a train on you.

Why do you think that Apple doesnt do that?

Although to be fair, the next paragraph says, "Surprisingly, Google offers a similar deal. The company collects and uses your personal data for targeted advertising, but it doesn’t sell it to third-party advertisers. So it means advertisers can pay Google or Apple to be seen on your iPhone or Android device. However, the advertisers can’t know who you are and come after you on their own."

I just find Google to be an advertising company that happens to produce software.

Re: The antitrust trial against Google is starting in September

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It's hard to tell if it's Google's dominance causing search to suck or just the web ecosystem naturally optimizing for clicks. I will say most queries with even vaguely commercial intent do seem to get the max or nearly a full page of sponsored links. I don't recall what it was like years ago but I'm pretty sure it is worse. I also think it's pretty clear the platform take-rate needs to be generally lowered across th…

>I don't recall what it was like years ago but I'm pretty sure it is worse.

It's absolutely worse today, how much worse depends on how far back you go.

Before 2005 Google didn't put ads in search results, AdWords results were separated off to the right side of the page to make them clearly distinct from organic search results.

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