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Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

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Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#81

I like the idea of splitting "peer review" into two, and then having a citation threshold standard where a field agrees that a paper should be replicated after a certain number of citations. And journals should have a dedicated section for attempted replications. 1. Rebrand peer review as a "readability review" which is what reviewers tend to focus on today. 2. A "replicability statement", a separately published docu…

Every experimental paper I've ever read has contained an "Experimental" section, where they provide the details on how they did it. Those sections tend to be general enough, albeit concise. In some fields, aside from specialized knowledge, good experimental work requires what we call "hands." For instance, handling air sensitive compounds, or anything in a condensed or crystalline state. In my thesis experiment, some…

> My doctoral thesis project used roughly 1/2 million dollars of gear,

Wow I envy you. My doctoral thesis project spent like... USD2.5k directly for gears (half of it just to buy lego bricks to build our own instrument exactly because we can't afford to buy commercial one lol)

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#82
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Peer review does not serve to assure replication, but assure readability and comprehensibility of the paper. Given that some experiments cost billions to conduct, it is impossible to implement "Peer Replication" for all papers. What could be done is to add metadata about papers that were replicated.

Maybe add people as special authors/contributors to the original work.

There always seems to be a contingent of people that think that anything less than %100 solution is inadequate so nothing is done. Peer review has proven itself inadequate and people hang on to it tooth and nail. Some disciplines should require replication on everything - I won't name Psychology or Social Sciences in general but the failure to replicate rate for some is unacceptable.

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#83
How do you replicate a literature review? Theoretical physics? A neuro case? Research that relies upon natural experiments? There are many types of research. Not all of them lend themselves to replication, but they can still contribute to our body of knowledge. Peer review is helpful in each of these instances.

Science is a process. Peer review isn't perfect. Replication is important. But it doesn't seem like the author understands what it would take to simply replace peer review with replication.

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#84

I don't see how this could ever work, and non-scientists seem to often dramatically underestimate the amount of work it would be to replicate every published paper. This of course depends a lot on the specific field, but it can easily be months of effort to replicate a paper. You save some time compared to the original as you don't have to repeat the dead ends and you might receive some samples and can skip parts of…

> [...] non-scientists seem to often dramatically underestimate the amount of work it would be to replicate every published paper

Either "peer reviewed" articles describe progress of promising results, or they don't. If they don't the research is effectively ignored (at least until someone finds it promising). So let's consider specifically output that described promising results.

After "peer review" any apparently promising results prompt other groups to build on them by utilizing it as a step or building block.

It can take many failed attempts by independent groups before anyone dares publish the absence of the proclaimed observations, since they may try it over multiple times thinking they must have botched it somewhere.

On paper it sounds more expensive to require independent replication, but only because the costs of replication attempts are hidden until its typically rather late.

Is it really more expensive if the replication attempts are in some sense mandatory?

Or is it perhaps more expensive to pretend science has found a one-shot "peer reviewed" method, resulting in uncoordinated independent reproduction attempts that may go unannounced before, or even after failed replications?

The pseudo-final word, end of line?

What about the "in some sense mandatory" replication? Perhaps roll provable dice for each article, and in-domain sortition to randomly assign replicators. So every scientist would be spending a certain fraction of their time replicating the research of others. The types of acceptable excuses to derelict these duties should be scrutinized and controlled. But some excuses should be very valid, for example conscientious objection. If you are tasked to reproduce some of Dr. Mengele's works, you can cop out on condition that you thoroughly motivate your ethical concerns and objections. This could also bring a lot of healthy criticism to a lot of practices, which is otherwise just ignored an glossed over for fear of future career opportunities.

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#85
Quite related: nowadays there is this movement within scientific researches ie Open Science where the (raw) data from ones research is open source. And even methods for in-house fabrication and development together with its source code is open source (open hardware and open software)

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#86
In the PL field, conferences have started to allow authors to submit packaged artifacts (typically, source code, input data, training data, etc) that are evaluated separately, typically post-review. The artifacts are evaluated by a separate committee, usually graduate students. As usual, everything is volunteer. Even with explicit instructions, it is hard enough to even get the same code to run in a different environment and give the same results. Would "replication" of a software technique require another team to reimplement something from scratch? That seems unworkable.

I can't even imagine how hard it would be to write instructions for another lab to successfully replicate an experiment at the forefront of physics or chemistry, or biology. Not just the specialized equipment, but we're talking about the frontiers of Science with people doing cutting-edge research.

I get the impression that suggestions like these are written by non-scientists who do not have experience with the peer review process of any discipline. Things just don't work like that.

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#87

I spent a lot of my graduate years in CS implementing the details of papers only to learn that, time and time again, the paper failed to mention all the short comings and fail cases of the techniques. There are great exceptions to this. Due to the pressure of "publish or die" there is very little honesty in research. Fortunately there are some who are transparent with their work. But for the most part, science is dro…

You'll quickly discover when you enter the workforce that the reasons we have CI/CD, Docker, and virtualization are because of a similar problem. The dread "it works on my machine" response.

CI/CD forces people to codify exactly how to build and deploy something in order for it to get into a production environment. Docker and VMs are ways around this by giving people a "my machine" that can be copied and shared easily.

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#89

I don't see how this could ever work, and non-scientists seem to often dramatically underestimate the amount of work it would be to replicate every published paper. This of course depends a lot on the specific field, but it can easily be months of effort to replicate a paper. You save some time compared to the original as you don't have to repeat the dead ends and you might receive some samples and can skip parts of…

What about a system where peer replication is required if the number of citations exceeds some threshold?

Re: Replace peer review with “peer replication” (2021)

#90
I remember showing someone raw video of a Safire plasma chamber keeping the ball of plasma lit for several minutes. They said they would need to see a peer reviewed paper. The presumption brought about by the enlightenment era that everyone should get a vote was a mistake.
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