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I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#51
Doctors are just people. I personally don’t trust a single one and why I always get multiple opinions.

The sooner they’re replaced by automation that’s far superior in terms of accuracy and diagnosis, the better.

Just a hundred years ago doctors were doing wack shit like chopping off limbs and giving people toxins or cocaine. Maybe the cocaine isn’t so bad.

Today they give us SSRIs and opioids.

They are given far too much credit imo when they’re just mechanics. Just like you can get into an accident because brakes failed or something and you’re left with pain and suffering or you die.

I’ve had a misdiagnosis before. It has left me with continued pain and I do thank the second doctor who realized the former doctors mistake and did his best to make me as whole as possible.

I don’t trust doctors. And I don’t think that highly of them either.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#52
Took my 7 year old daughter to a dentist. 8 cavities. Gotta get em right away! Went to another one. All good - zero cavities.

Many dentists are criminals willing to drill holes in children's teeth in order fraudulently take your money.

She's now 15. Never had a cavity ever.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#53
A couple years ago my dentist sold her practice to a new dentist.

Before I had an appointment with the new dentist, my wife had an appointment, and he told her she had gum disease with bone loss and needed a deep cleaning and to go on a "periodontal schedule" where she would have to come in every three months instead of six. (Note: My wife and I have different last names and separate insurance, so he wouldn't have known we're related.)

When I went in, the hygenist measured my pocket depths, and I noticed she seemed to be adding 1-3mm to what I remembered the measurements being every time I had that done in the past. The dentist then came in and gave me what sounded like a rehearsed speech concluding in the same diagnosis he had given my wife.

I told him I'd like to think about it and could he please send me the records they based this on. They proceeded to rush me out of the office, outright refusing to do the regular cleaning.

I went to another dentist and only told her I left my previous dentist because he gave me bad vibes. She started off with the pocket measurements which were magically back to normal! She said my teeth looked great. Then she asked about my previous dentist and I told her what happened. She said: "I suspected it was something like that."

So... yeah... what an industry...

ETA: Although now in my paranoia I wonder if the new dentist somehow knew the previous dentist's diagnosis and realized the way to keep me as a customer would be to tell me they were wrong. But they shouldn't be able to get my past records unless I authorize it, right?

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#54
I remember a story of a fraudulent dental service that were telling parents they needed all their children's baby teeth pulled. They were finally busted because parents got second opinions.

I googled trying to find it and pulled up a bunch of other stories of dentists performing unnecessary procedures on children to defraud medicaid.

F'ing monsters.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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My wife was shocked to learn in dental school how many people were there focused on the money. From her experience I learned that dentistry in particular is a profession that has a low investment / high payoff ratio. Relative to medical school dental school is easier to get into and shorter, and unscrupulous dentists can extract a lot of money out of patients. PS: I feel compelled to share her best advice re oral hyg…

Ok sample of N = 1, but here it goes. Flossing daily was the single thing that imroved my dental hygiene more than anything else. Brushing, mouthwash, fluoride treatment, gum laser treatment, regular dentist visits, nothing worked. Still had bleeding gum, pain here and there, bad smell, unstopabble tooth decay. In my mid 20-s I started flossing daily (even multiple times when I feel like food is stuck). Really my mou…

Have you tried a waterpik? Considering an investment there myself.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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post #19

My wife was shocked to learn in dental school how many people were there focused on the money. From her experience I learned that dentistry in particular is a profession that has a low investment / high payoff ratio. Relative to medical school dental school is easier to get into and shorter, and unscrupulous dentists can extract a lot of money out of patients. PS: I feel compelled to share her best advice re oral hyg…

Ok sample of N = 1, but here it goes. Flossing daily was the single thing that imroved my dental hygiene more than anything else. Brushing, mouthwash, fluoride treatment, gum laser treatment, regular dentist visits, nothing worked. Still had bleeding gum, pain here and there, bad smell, unstopabble tooth decay. In my mid 20-s I started flossing daily (even multiple times when I feel like food is stuck). Really my mou…

+1

My gums had been bleeding enough during brushing that I decided to break my 14 year run without a dentist visit and get things checked out, but felt shame about the state of things, so I gave myself a month or two of runway - and adopted a daily flossing and mouthwash routine.

By the time I got to the dentist, my gums were in good shape. They removed lot of plaque, but underneath, my teeth were pristine. In the 14 years since I'd been to the dentist, either the tools had become much more humane, or I just happened to be surrounded by sadists in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Upgrading to an electric toothbrush was another revelation, and I also learned that a tongue scraper is the solution to tonsil stones.

Genetics play a part, for sure, but flossing daily has been a total game changer.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#57
I eventually found a great dentist. The first time I went to his office, it was extremely obvious that he was a Christian. Did that make me trust him more? Yes it sure did, but only because he was young. I would also trust an Orthodox Jewish dentist, but there aren't any here in Seattle that I can find. If I needed a lot of really expensive work, I would probably just go to a high end place in Mexico.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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post #19

My wife was shocked to learn in dental school how many people were there focused on the money. From her experience I learned that dentistry in particular is a profession that has a low investment / high payoff ratio. Relative to medical school dental school is easier to get into and shorter, and unscrupulous dentists can extract a lot of money out of patients. PS: I feel compelled to share her best advice re oral hyg…

I wonder if this is the reason dentists seem to be kooks more often than other types of doctors?

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

#59
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What I don't understand is why dentist work is not better regulated and covered by health. I can get a heart operation covered but if I have to do an implant I have to pay for it. I mean, I understand if you charged me something as a punishment (lets say 100/200 dollars), but I don't get why is not covered. We can even make it an additional monthly payment or something. But it is crazy that there is no coverage for m…

I can't speak to historically, but my understanding is currently, in the US, dental coverage was excluded from a lot of "this is insane, not allowed" provisions in the ACA as a compromise, so all the fun things you loved seeing go away in health insurance like lifetime maximums on coverage are still around.

Re: I went to 50 different dentists: almost all gave a different diagnosis (1997)

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok sample of N = 1, but here it goes. Flossing daily was the single thing that imroved my dental hygiene more than anything else. Brushing, mouthwash, fluoride treatment, gum laser treatment, regular dentist visits, nothing worked. Still had bleeding gum, pain here and there, bad smell, unstopabble tooth decay. In my mid 20-s I started flossing daily (even multiple times when I feel like food is stuck). Really my mou…

Have you tried a waterpik? Considering an investment there myself.

My parents had a Waterpik in the 80s - it was okay, I guess, but my go-to are Plackers, have been for years. I can get to every little nook and cranny with those things.

Ultimately, whatever you're using, I think the important part is that you're doing it daily, and being thorough.

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