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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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+1 for Jitsi. They are awesome, lightweight, and just work with the least hassle. Pretty bad that many nontechnical users are not aware of it compared to Google Meet or Teams.

lightweight? they are literally the only video chatting service I use that makes my laptop fans spin up.

I tried it at the beginning of the pandemic and my siblings phones all drained during the hour long call.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Worst is relative. Zoom has the lower barrier to entry for normal users (who far outnumber us nerdy type) than any other app in it's class. Worst for privacy, best for usability, many argue.

Worst for privacy best for usability is the norm. Most B2C stuff is almost predatory. The only exceptions are at the high (cost) end of the market, and Apple to some extent. If you aren’t paying in either time (DIY) or money, you are probably being exploited.

Apple is also the high cost end of the market.

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Skype became really really terrible, it looks like it's been unmaintained during the past 10 years, I'd rate its usability worse than most open-source software. The sound quality is also awful, it feels like I'm calling a landline.

Where do you live? In the US at least, landline (AKA POTS) is still the gold standard for audio quality.

I live in France, landline had a distinct background white noise to it that somehow Skype managed to imitate. Switching to any other software feels like you're upgrading to HD audio.

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And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Hopefully someone has the Net Terminal Gene to shut the system off.

I haven’t seen a Blame! reference in the wild before! The concept of runaway AI that never stops building more infrastructure seems like one of those dystopian scenarios that is at least semi-plausible, and the idea that humans effectively lock themselves out of control by being too clever (net terminal gene) is just the cherry on top.

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But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

Wow. I hope the op just didn’t read that far.

hitting "search" in your browser and typing "artificial intelligence" doesn't really require reading the whole thing ;)

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I am curious if they have been silently saving voice to text transcription in the background on all calls and if AI will be permitted to ingest all of that data. A great deal could be learned from private one on one calls in the corporate world. The insider knowledge one could gain about corporations and governments would be fascinating.

I feel as if 2023 could become the inflection point where we will finally start investing in our own infrastructure again. Video calls for example are really a commodity service to be set up at this point.

Odds of any company spending the millions of dollars required to do that poorly, let alone going the extra distance to do it right: about zero.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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I guess the equivalent terms for Google Meet are much more privacy friendly:

> Control over your data

> ...

> Google does not store video, audio, or chat data unless a meeting participant initiates a recording during the Meet session.

https://support.google.com/meet/answer/9852160

Though, I suppose this isn't exactly the same as a TOS.

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I miss the good old days when "if you are not paying for the product, you are the product" meant I need to watch some ads on a free website. Now, even if you pay for the product, you're still the product, and every company will try to get you to train their AI.

That is why I'm back to torrenting. Cheaper and no ads just like the old days when I cut the cable cord.

I'll admit I have a horrible setup and binge watching 12 random episodes of a new show in one day is a huge pain in the ass but I've decided that's a good thing!

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

So at the beginning of a Zoom meeting, we'll have to apply a Turning test to all the participants. That'll work at least for a few more years.

Voight-Kampff test for each participant.
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