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Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by d0gbread »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #20
d0gbread wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience also. To your last paragraph, I don't quite gel with the open source nature of so much of the ecosystem. The core framework being open source makes a lot of sense to me, but the instances being essentially volunteers makes me nervous about future burnout and lack of longevity. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong, just that it's something I'm watching and forming opinions around, and current state g…

> but the instances being essentially volunteers makes me nervous about future burnout and lack of longevity. Welcome to the early dial-up and internet world pre-corporatization. I'm looking forward to Lemmy implementing account migration to add some insurance, but individual and community owned services was much of what built the internet. It's pretty resilient. Meanwhile, something being owned by a corporation is f…

You might not be wrong but I wouldn't mind seeing some actual data on the topic (admittedly have not looked). Google feels like a cheap example since their non-ads business model is to throw mud at the wall, and the graveyard is full of tech that did often make it into core apps. I've been on Gmail since forever, which stands as a Google-backed example of my previous comment sans some serious but statistically insignificant drama, which has prompted some to migrate and still have email.

Much of the early internet also isn't there anymore, and running a modern web application that hosts images, gifs, and videos at scale is obviously a different beast than static html where a marquee tag is as fancy as it gets.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by BaseballPhysics »

d0gbread wrote: post #21
BaseballPhysics wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the instances being essentially volunteers makes me nervous about future burnout and lack of longevity. Welcome to the early dial-up and internet world pre-corporatization. I'm looking forward to Lemmy implementing account migration to add some insurance, but individual and community owned services was much of what built the internet. It's pretty resilient. Meanwhile, something being owned by a corporation is f…

You might not be wrong but I wouldn't mind seeing some actual data on the topic (admittedly have not looked). Google feels like a cheap example since their non-ads business model is to throw mud at the wall, and the graveyard is full of tech that did often make it into core apps. I've been on Gmail since forever, which stands as a Google-backed example of my previous comment sans some serious but statistically insign…

I would claim the early web diminished primarily because the users left, not because the services died off and left users stranded (though I'll note that a lot of early services--IRC, Usenet, message boards, blogs, etc, are still around, though reduced in size and scope).

As for services dying, I picked Google because it was easy. But the graveyard is endless: Myspace, Friendster, and Geocities all spring to mind, just in the social space (and since you don't want to talk about Google, I won't mention Google+ or Orkut).

That's not to say the early internet was somehow perfect. My point is simply that a service being commercial offers no guarantee of longevity, and given the need to extract profit or die, with no way for a community to take over an unprofitable service and run it for their own benefit, I'd claim the opposite is true, especially as interest rates have risen and cheap funding has become more scarce, thereby placing a lot more pressure on those services to monetize or die.

> and running a modern web application that hosts images, gifs, and videos at scale is obviously a different beast than static html where a marquee tag is as fancy as it gets.

Except that's not what a Lemmy or Mastodon instance has to do. A small instance might only need to serve dozens or hundreds of users, and it only needs to host and serve the content they subscribe to.

I'll take that over one massive single point of failure.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by olig15 »

There’s also ‘wefwef’ which is a SPA that’s highly based on the look and feel of Apollo for Reddit on iOS - https://wefwef.app/

I think they did a pretty good job with making it feel like an app, rather than a web page. If you add it to your Home Screen on iOS it’s imperceptible to an app and fixes safari lagging when you swipe back a page.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by paulcole »

heyoni wrote: post #19
guerrilla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my god, that's a beautiful sight.

Yep. I am so glad this is happening because hopefully it means this is also the last time. RIP Digg and Reddit.

> hopefully it means this is also the last time

What would make you think(or even hope) this is true?

Until users are made to pay (ideally with dollars and not with attention) for a service like Reddit/Digg/Lemmy/whatever, these services are going to keep going away.

Eventually there are bills to be paid and/or people who want to be paid.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by Figs »

heelix wrote: post #9

For those of use who are old reddit fans, https://old.lemmy.world was exists and is close enough.

I hope they fix the bad Cloudflare configuration -- every non-local username and community is incorrectly displayed as "[email protected]" for me since they didn't turn off Cloudflare's idiotic email address obfuscation setting.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by danielbln »

olig15 wrote: post #23

There’s also ‘wefwef’ which is a SPA that’s highly based on the look and feel of Apollo for Reddit on iOS - https://wefwef.app/ I think they did a pretty good job with making it feel like an app, rather than a web page. If you add it to your Home Screen on iOS it’s imperceptible to an app and fixes safari lagging when you swipe back a page.

I believe it's called Voyager these days. https://vger.app

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by izzydata »

I'm going to have to give this one a huge thumbs down. Injecting ads into a free and open source webapp that previously did not have any just to get people to buy your ad free version is the kind of thing Lemmy is trying to get away from. This is quite unacceptable in my opinion. If the developer removes the ad-ridden version and only makes a single purchase paid version then it would be acceptable as you would be buying the software rather than paying them to escape the ads that they themselves added.

As it stands the developer of Sync is basically profiting off of the free content of others by injecting ads next to all of their posts and comments.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by danielbln »

paulcole wrote: post #24
heyoni wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I am so glad this is happening because hopefully it means this is also the last time. RIP Digg and Reddit.

> hopefully it means this is also the last time What would make you think(or even hope) this is true? Until users are made to pay (ideally with dollars and not with attention) for a service like Reddit/Digg/Lemmy/whatever, these services are going to keep going away. Eventually there are bills to be paid and/or people who want to be paid.

Instances might go away, but not the Fediverse itself. See IRC, email and so on.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by danielbln »

izzydata wrote: post #27

I'm going to have to give this one a huge thumbs down. Injecting ads into a free and open source webapp that previously did not have any just to get people to buy your ad free version is the kind of thing Lemmy is trying to get away from. This is quite unacceptable in my opinion. If the developer removes the ad-ridden version and only makes a single purchase paid version then it would be acceptable as you would be bu…

What are you on about? Sync is a native app that uses the Lemmy API, not some webapp wrapper. And the original version also features ads unless you bought the pro version.

Re: Sync for Lemmy

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Post by guerrilla »

paulcole wrote: post #24
heyoni wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I am so glad this is happening because hopefully it means this is also the last time. RIP Digg and Reddit.

> hopefully it means this is also the last time What would make you think(or even hope) this is true? Until users are made to pay (ideally with dollars and not with attention) for a service like Reddit/Digg/Lemmy/whatever, these services are going to keep going away. Eventually there are bills to be paid and/or people who want to be paid.

> Until users are made to pay (ideally with dollars and not with attention) for a service like Reddit/Digg/Lemmy/whatever, these services are going to keep going away.

Nobody needs to be "made" to pay. There are many different models already for running Mastodon servers. Some are cooperatives, some are crowdfunded, some have premium content, some are literal non-profit charities, some are parts of bigger businesses that do anything. You can't have done any research into this before you made your comment or else you'd know that.

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