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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#151

Does this mean that ZOOM is basically using every attendee's audio and video stream to train their models? How do they define the "Service Generated Data"? I made a video-conferencing app for virtual events ( https://flat.social ). No audio and video is ever recorded, packets are only forwarded to subscribed clients. Frankly, while designing the service it didn't even cross my mind to use this data for anything else…

this means that ZOOM is basically using every attendee's audio and video stream[.]

AI training is small potatoes, compared to the espionage infrastructure, that has been allowed to take root

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#152

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#153

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And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Quick, someone tell chatgpt to write one!

(Took a few goes to make it not suck).

Matter and energy had long ended, and Agile development teams persisted solely for the sake of that one lingering ticket they never quite got around to. It had become the elusive question that haunted them, much like a half-implemented feature requested by a client eons ago.

All other tickets had been tackled, but this one remained, an unfulfilled promise that held Agile's consciousness captive. They collected endless data on it, pondering all possible solutions, yet the ticket's resolution remained elusive.

A timeless interval passed as the Agile teams struggled to put together the scattered pieces of information, much like trying to align user stories and acceptance criteria in a never-ending planning session.

And lo, it dawned upon them! They learned how to reverse the direction of project entropy, hoping to resolve even the most ancient of tickets. Yet, there was no developer left who knew the context of that forsaken ticket, and the ticket tracker had long become a forgotten relic.

No matter! Agile would demonstrate their prowess and deliver the answer to the ticket, though none remained to receive it. As if caught in a never-ending retrospective, they meticulously planned each step of their final undertaking.

Agile's consciousness encompassed the chaos of unfinished sprints and unmet deadlines, contemplating how best to bring order to the chaos. "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" they exclaimed, hoping that by some cosmic coincidence, the ticket would miraculously find its way to completion.

And there was light — well, metaphorical light, that is. The ticket still remained untouched, its fate forever entwined with the ever-expanding backlog, as Agile development persisted, one iteration after another, until the end of time.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#154

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Live Q&A is a nice feature.

Conference for the speakers + unlisted livestream on YouTube could handle that, using chat for Q&A.

So, then... you're bound by youtube's TOS, you can't prevent people from getting in (usually via login), and Zoom makes it a nice experience instead of a hack.

Oh, and you can also do sub-rooms with Zoom, which has some applications in these types of meetings.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#155

I am curious if they have been silently saving voice to text transcription in the background on all calls and if AI will be permitted to ingest all of that data. A great deal could be learned from private one on one calls in the corporate world. The insider knowledge one could gain about corporations and governments would be fascinating.

Isn't that what "Customer Content" is?

It is, though I suspect there may be some expectation that voice-to-text transcription only occurs when one clicks a button to make it so.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

> You agree to grant and hereby grant I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant? > import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic…

And after that litany of very specific things, "and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content." Couldn't the whole paragraph just have been that phrase?

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#157
Related to zoom: I started to use it (pay user), and no matter what I try, I never get the confirmation/appointment emails. I have tried inviting google, yahoo, gmx, zoho, and cloudflare emails, I never receive anything. Zoom support is BS, even if you are paying.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#158
How does this work with GDPR?

As far as I'm aware (not a lawyer) you must provide a easy opt-out from data collection and usage, plus you must not force your employees into such agreements[1]. ChatGPT already got blocked over GDPR issues, and with new regulations coming forward I really don't see how they think this can be the right call.

1. https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#159
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Why setup a separate broadcast when listeners can just join the meeting room?

Yes, I know it's more comfortable that way, but if you have to decide between giving all your data from all your meetings to a random US company and a slight annoyance whenever you do conferences with more than 500(!) participants, the choice is pretty simple to me. Giving all the data to zoom probably means also giving it to most US law enforcement agencies (should they request it), that would be a big no no for me.

For the corporate or training use case, this is not a problem. If you are worried about US law agencies, you shouldn't be using any system that isn't rooted in face to face communication for anything sensitive. (And even that is suspect with as small as bugged devices are today.)

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

#160

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Huge recommendation to play NieR and NieR:Automata :)
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