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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by yard2010 »

account-5 wrote: post #102
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Quick, someone tell chatgpt to write one!

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by hutzlibu »

account-5 wrote: post #102
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

And this continues even after the human race disappears. There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

The dystopian part would be, some human brains are still kept alive and are wired in matrix like.

The Eternal Meeting.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by yard2010 »

javajosh wrote: post #94
albert_e wrote: post #63

At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back! GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake cale…

As long as the paychecks aren't hallucinations I'm good with it.

I think that's the future with AGI - no more paychecks.

What will happen when the cost of every service is zero since it's been delegated to machines?

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Post by pclmulqdq »

Gasp0de wrote: post #108
CorpOverreach wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?

Live Q&A is a nice feature.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by jxf »

jsnell wrote: post #59
jxf wrote: post #36

edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…

But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

You're right. I retracted the comment and edited to reflect this point.

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Post by kortex »

jsnell wrote: post #59
jxf wrote: post #36

edit: I'm retracting my earlier comment. Earlier I wrote that the headline didn't seem to match what was in the TOS, since OP never mentioned which part they're concerned about. I'm now assuming the part they don't like is §10.4(ii): > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights…

But it is saying that your customer content may be used for training AI, in 10.4: > 10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use…

> You agree to grant and hereby grant

I get that legalese is like human-interpretable pseudocode, but like, is there really no better way to word this? How can you grant without agreeing to grant?

> import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works

Wow this cover of Daft Punk - Technologic sucks.

I, for one, do not welcome our dystopian overlords, but am at a loss to what I can do about it. I try to use Jitsi or anything not-zoom whenever possible, but it's rarely my pick.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

Gasp0de wrote: post #108
CorpOverreach wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's useful. It's more of a large-scale broadcast situation. Think of large corporate town halls, town council meetings, etc.

You can just have a conference call with the 5-10 speakers and use broadcasting software to stream it to the audience, why do they need to be in the conference?

For the Q&A section that comes at the end, usually.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by realusername »

tikkun wrote: post #83
_ddzr wrote: post #11

Thankfully nothing like this is in Jitsi Meet’s TOS: https://jitsi.org/meet-jit-si-terms-of-service/ It never ceases to amaze me how companies choose the worst software!

Also HN user jeltz below mentioned: > I have tried most of them: Google Meet, Teams, Slack, Discord, Skype, Jitsi and so far I liked Jitsi the most and Skype the least.

Skype became really really terrible, it looks like it's been unmaintained during the past 10 years, I'd rate its usability worse than most open-source software. The sound quality is also awful, it feels like I'm calling a landline.
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