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America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Re: America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by thebooktocome »

atdrummond wrote: post #17
vhlhvjcov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. Not being punished for being sick is a basic human right. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976. The human rights that the Covenant seeks to promote and protect include: the right to work in just and favourable conditions; the right to social protection, to an adequate sta…

Note that no actual citizens voted on this supposed covenant.

That’s how representative democracy works. Generally speaking no country has citizens vote on specific foreign policies, with some exceptions.

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Post by usaar333 »

somethingsaid wrote: post #24
pugio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

I would say that it comes from the basic right to Justice, in where you are penalized baseed on your actions, not on things out of your control. In this case being sick is out of folks control. The business should take into account and be able to handle a given percentage of its employees being sick at a given time. As for the right to Justice, we have these rights to allow us to live together as independent sovereig…

What does "control" mean?

We have wildly disparite income in society - I don't place blame on people that say can't program computers for not knowing how.

Re: America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by brookst »

batch12 wrote: post #15
rejectfinite wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

I know that's the popular thing to say nowadays, but it really isn't.

As long as your a straight white male with great health and a wealthy background, it’s lovely.

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Post by kzrdude »

rejectfinite wrote: post #12
scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

We need nuance in everything. I'm a happy "European" but I see worrying trends everywhere, including in my country.

Take your same thoughts but think about how you can say it in a way that reaches your intended target group. Communication is never easy.

Re: America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by duxup »

bombcar wrote: post #20

I wish you could "tip" shipments, something like a "I don't care when or how this arrives, just eventually get it here". I partake a bit once in awhile where a package is "listed" as delivered and appears the next day, I suspect someone somewhere is scanning it in and then delivering later.

IRRC there used to be far slower domestic parcel shipping options but I think as things sped up it really didn’t make sense to keep it around. The whole pipeline was working faster regardless.

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Post by thebooktocome »

batch12 wrote: post #15
rejectfinite wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

I know that's the popular thing to say nowadays, but it really isn't.

It kinda depends on circumstances.

If you’re mainstream attractive, healthy, and above median income, the US is pretty nice. If any of those things are missing, it pretty much sucks.

Re: America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by zarzavat »

atdrummond wrote: post #17
vhlhvjcov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. Not being punished for being sick is a basic human right. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976. The human rights that the Covenant seeks to promote and protect include: the right to work in just and favourable conditions; the right to social protection, to an adequate sta…

Note that no actual citizens voted on this supposed covenant.

That’s the difference between voting and democracy. Unions are a form of democracy, as it’s the people who are determining their own rights. But yes, unfortunately rights often have to be hard fought for rather than simply voted into existence.

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Post by dopidopHN »

blackoil wrote: post #25
vhlhvjcov wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. Not being punished for being sick is a basic human right. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976. The human rights that the Covenant seeks to promote and protect include: the right to work in just and favourable conditions; the right to social protection, to an adequate sta…

> If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. On counter side, you'll be punished for not being sick.

How? Because someone get an additional day off of the work while you don’t ?

It’s funny how I absolutely never thought about it that way. I guess scarcity of free time change perspective.

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Post by bombcar »

duxup wrote: post #35
bombcar wrote: post #20

I wish you could "tip" shipments, something like a "I don't care when or how this arrives, just eventually get it here". I partake a bit once in awhile where a package is "listed" as delivered and appears the next day, I suspect someone somewhere is scanning it in and then delivering later.

IRRC there used to be far slower domestic parcel shipping options but I think as things sped up it really didn’t make sense to keep it around. The whole pipeline was working faster regardless.

Yeah, there used to be a bunch but now it’s next day air or ground and that’s really it.

I’m talking marking packages as voluntary “non priority” or something. I don’t need everything right away and prime is worthless now anyway.

Re: America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by usaar333 »

vhlhvjcov wrote: post #10
pugio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. Not being punished for being sick is a basic human right. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976. The human rights that the Covenant seeks to promote and protect include: the right to work in just and favourable conditions; the right to social protection, to an adequate sta…

> The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976.

Note that was never ratified by the United States

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