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America’s Truckers, Cargo Pilots and Package Carriers Are Fed Up

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Post by burkaman »

pugio wrote: post #5
scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

See articles 24 and 25: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Threatening a person's livelihood if they want to take a couple days off to go to the doctor is denying them "a standard of living adequate for [their] health and well-being". Additionally, if you force your workers to come to work sick, you also threaten everyone else's standard of healthy living by unnecessarily exposing them to a contagious disease.

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Post by rejectfinite »

scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

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Post by bombcar »

burkaman wrote: post #4

> Lynn Kelley, a business consultant who recently published a book, said she was worried about a possible UPS strike affecting the book’s distribution, including large bulk shipments for some upcoming events. “There might have been some delays,” said Kelley, adding that her book is on Amazon, which handles shipping. “My concern is even if Amazon does use an alternative to UPS, everything will be slow because there’s…

Once you start to recognize journalistic tropes you see them all the time. This sounds like the "person we were able to get ahold of that is tangentially related so we can have a quote" one.

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Post by defrost »

pugio wrote: post #5
scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

In Australia discussion about workers rights as universal human rights began at Federation in 1901.

An early Harvester Agreement ( ~ 1901 ?? ) set the minimum wage as a livable wage - to cover food, clothing, rent for a family unit with 40 hours of work.

Sick leave was introduced into industrial awards in 1922. From 1935 to the 1970s, paid sick leave was gradually introduced into federal awards until 10 days sick leave per year became standard.

Current workers rights are laid out in the National Employment Standards made Federal law by the Fair Work Act (2009)

    The yearly entitlement of paid sick or carer’s leave is based on an employee’s ordinary hours of work. It is 10 days for full-time employees, and pro-rata for part-time employees. This can be calculated as 1/26 of an employee’s ordinary hours of work in a year.
Sure, these standards are by no means global rights but they are universal within Australia where the general ethos for a hundred years has been that everybody deserves a fair go .. hopefully that persists.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment-conditions/national-e...

https://business.gov.au/people/employees/employees-pay-leave...

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Post by batch12 »

rejectfinite wrote: post #12
scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

I know that's the popular thing to say nowadays, but it really isn't.

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Post by idlewords »

rejectfinite wrote: post #12
scaramanga wrote: post #3

"Unions have been pushing companies to improve on-the-job conditions. After lobbying for it last year, major freight railroads have started offering short-term paid sick leave—in some cases for the first time—to union workers to ensure ample staffing and service levels." Haha, surreal, wall street journal is now telling me that "unions are the institution by which people (in the richest country in the world) are begi…

USA really is a hellscape. The more I learn about the world, the happier I am, I'm not born there but in Europe.

Come on, it's not even a heckscape. Basically a bigger Europe with cooler animals. It's important to have a little chill.

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Post by atdrummond »

vhlhvjcov wrote: post #10
pugio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

If you don’t get paid when you are sick, you are in essence being punished for being sick. Not being punished for being sick is a basic human right. The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights entered into force in 1976. The human rights that the Covenant seeks to promote and protect include: the right to work in just and favourable conditions; the right to social protection, to an adequate sta…

Note that no actual citizens voted on this supposed covenant.

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Post by burkaman »

bombcar wrote: post #13
burkaman wrote: post #4

> Lynn Kelley, a business consultant who recently published a book, said she was worried about a possible UPS strike affecting the book’s distribution, including large bulk shipments for some upcoming events. “There might have been some delays,” said Kelley, adding that her book is on Amazon, which handles shipping. “My concern is even if Amazon does use an alternative to UPS, everything will be slow because there’s…

Once you start to recognize journalistic tropes you see them all the time. This sounds like the "person we were able to get ahold of that is tangentially related so we can have a quote" one.

Looking her up it looks like she is a consultant for the transportation industry, so I guess they interviewed her but she didn't actually say anything useful about the industry, so they just went with this quote about her book.

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Post by 0xfaded »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #6
pugio wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't normally engage with these kinds of comments but today I guess I'm extra curious: why is "paid sick leave" a "basic human right."? I don't disagree that it's a good and moral thing to offer, I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from?

>I'm just curious about where these universally agreed upon "basic human rights" come from? From here: >it's a good and moral thing to offer, What is the minimum quality of life you want for your children?

I think that's a good question since pointing to references is a powerful way to make an argument. Although not legally binding, the UDHR contains this:

"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."

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Post by bombcar »

I wish you could "tip" shipments, something like a "I don't care when or how this arrives, just eventually get it here".

I partake a bit once in awhile where a package is "listed" as delivered and appears the next day, I suspect someone somewhere is scanning it in and then delivering later.

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