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Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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mlcrypto wrote: post #483
jamesssssss833 wrote: post #103

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“Point” seems generous. Looking at their post history their either a shill or a troll. That said I’ve heard real people in real life with alleged “real ideas” that say that because system warming has happened in the planet’s distant past we should just accept it as Gosh’s Will or whatever and accept whatever divine punishment we deserve or something. It always gets very fuzzy on how we actually continue to have a wor…

The crazy people are the ones that think they can keep the planet's climate constant forever. Never happened, never will

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Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by kaba0 »

paulmd wrote: post #505
cutemonster wrote: post #452

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I think it's not meant to be an exhaustive list of things to do. Instead, what if it's a mindset: Doing such things, and 1000 others, some of them vastly more important than others. And you can add to the list (instead of just saying "it won't work"). E.g. high car gas taxes, so there'll be trains, buses and bike lanes instead for everyone.

Eating less beef will reduce the market price and make it cheaper for everyone else, increasing their consumption accordingly. The whole point of a capitalist economy is to “route around inefficiency”, in the same way the internet is designed to “route around damage”. Any single player or even a large contingent of players, who act inefficiently, are only increasing the alpha available for another player to exploit.…

If people eat less meat because they have a larger tax, then no, capitalism won’t adapt that way. I didn’t mention how those changes should be adopted. As per Adam Smith: capitalism only works in small, well-defined markets. It was never meant as an end-all control system.

Governments can alter the rules of the game we play and they are (indirectly) controlled by us, as least in democractic countries.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by jamesssssss833 »

mlcrypto wrote: post #483
jamesssssss833 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Point” seems generous. Looking at their post history their either a shill or a troll. That said I’ve heard real people in real life with alleged “real ideas” that say that because system warming has happened in the planet’s distant past we should just accept it as Gosh’s Will or whatever and accept whatever divine punishment we deserve or something. It always gets very fuzzy on how we actually continue to have a wor…

The crazy people are the ones that think they can keep the planet's climate constant forever. Never happened, never will

That’s quite a jump even for goal posts

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by notmypenguin »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #466
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #455

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It’s reasonable to be skeptical since past climate models (eg from 20 years ago) didn’t do great over the subsequent period. It could be that current ones are much better (but we won’t know for a while).

What has changed in 20 years? Realistically. When we’re the ClimateGate emails? Do you think the industry got itself together after that?

That’s a bunch of FUD. Climate science is and has been solid, but fossil fuel industry lobbies have tried to add doubt to what is certain and known. I see your tactics and I call you out on them.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by akira2501 »

superb_dev wrote: post #480
akira2501 wrote: post #465

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The same climate models that predict a "missing" volcanic eruption? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1808_mystery_eruption

These volcanic eruptions haven’t been predicted, we found evidence of them in ice cores

They've found evidence of periods of apparent high atmospheric SO2 in some ice cores. There are multiple reasons, outside of volcanoes, this could have occurred.

The fact that vulcanologists have no evidence of this eruption doesn't seem to trouble anyone on the "climate science" side. So much so, they _insist_ the volcanologists are just "missing" it. They also need it to exist, because it is their only explanation for widespread temperature anomalies around this time period. Whenever the model fails to predict something, they go searching for a volcano, seemingly. It helps because it has high levels of atmospheric distribution, other sources of SO2, obviously, do not.

And, on the back of this wholly incomplete work, they would like to purposefully put high levels of man made SO2 in the atmosphere to try to interfere with the climate. We should do our best to positively impact the climate. I have strong doubts about all of these radical SO2 ideas.

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Post by concordDance »

haswell wrote: post #349
concordDance wrote: post #302

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I'm a biker, I commute to work via bike and mostly shop via bike. The car is still incredibly useful for rainy days, visiting friends or when I really don't feel like tackling that hill to shop. Maybe you enjoy half an hour cycling in rain that's going to last 6 hours, but I don't.

> Maybe you enjoy half an hour cycling in rain that's going to last 6 hours, but I don't. At some point, people are going to have to start preferring long term survival over short term enjoyment. I don’t love getting rained on, and there are days that the last thing I feel like doing is getting on the bike or walking somewhere, but feeling like doing something is often not the primary reason to do it. And I realize t…

> At some point, people are going to have to start preferring long term survival over short term enjoyment.

Two things on this: A. Electric cars are now viable. B. Even if they weren't, current climate change projections are not a threat to human survival, merely going to make life harder by a hard to quantify amount.

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Post by concordDance »

amrocha wrote: post #457
concordDance wrote: post #288

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While some meat eating being required for nice food is subjective, I'm struggling to see what the suggested alternative to cars for all weather personal mobility is. I want to go to visit my friend Bob who lives 10 miles away but the rain is pouring down. What do I do in a carless world? Btw: CO2 emission taxes, road taxes and congestion charges are a great idea.

A lot of people replied to you and stuff, but I don't agree with them all so I want to answer you personally. I live in Tokyo. As I'm replying to you, I'm coming back from meeting my friends that live 13 miles away. This isn't uncommon. One of my best friends, I see her almost every week, lives 15 miles away from me. Here's what I did: I cycled 5 minutes to the train station; I got on the train; I ran into a friend i…

> I can tell you that if you gave it a try you would change your mind

I've been cycling and using public transport in the south east UK as my primary means of travel for 12 years, the car is a supplement. Update your mental models accordingly.

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Post by concordDance »

CalRobert wrote: post #394
concordDance wrote: post #288

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While some meat eating being required for nice food is subjective, I'm struggling to see what the suggested alternative to cars for all weather personal mobility is. I want to go to visit my friend Bob who lives 10 miles away but the rain is pouring down. What do I do in a carless world? Btw: CO2 emission taxes, road taxes and congestion charges are a great idea.

Trams or buses to your friend Bob's flat or rowhouse would be helpful here.

Even the most densely bus routed places don't have direct busses

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by imtringued »

akira2501 wrote: post #465
zith wrote: post #214

Climate models take this into account [0], contrary to what some people here seem to imply. It is also very likely that this is part of, but not the major factor of recent warming. [1] I would like to point out that this is not something we're just figuring out "this week" as Hank Green seems to want to frame it. There's no need to sensationalize. There is no conspiracy here. This is well known. It's good to educate…

The same climate models that predict a "missing" volcanic eruption? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1808_mystery_eruption

Ah, yes global cooling. The thing that has been predicted for at least thirty years by now. The most common argument is that solar activity is declining. Tough luck. CO2 is rising faster than the sun can become colder. We are in a solar minimum and yet we somehow break temperature records?

https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2953/there...

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