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Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by monero-xmr »

appplication wrote: post #177
monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

> Of course, you can always use Bitcoin / Ethereum and the Ethereum Name Service which is true, legitimate digital ownership. Why is this legitimate digital ownership vs other forms? Bitcoin and ETH are stolen all the time, and it’s not recoverable, even if you can prove it rightfully belonged to you. People are wary of crypto because it’s controlled by a cabal of extraordinarily entrenched early adopters, many of wh…

A lot of early people sold, it’s hard to buy and hold when you 10x. Then people in at $1 sell at $10, those buyers sell at $100, those at $1000, and so on. It takes deep, deep conviction to sit on 10000% gains and not sell.

And those people are true believers in the tech, and IMO deserve their riches. Same as anyone who bought FB or AMZN or GOOG at IPO and held until now.

As a separate issue, do the longer term holders pose a threat to the crypto ecosystem? You are so naïve - the traditional economic and banking system is the same! Except for centuries! Do I sound conspiratorial? Well, you said crypto has a “cabal”. Pot meet kettle.

At least in crypto it’s open source, and the addresses and balances are public. A fundamentally more equitable system at its core.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by ecf »

bradgranath wrote: post #64

Fuck around on private platforms, find out.

Guess what, you don’t own anything on the internet. Nothing is private. Everything flows through a domain name, and you never actually fully own a domain.

All these comments about “shouldn’t have done it on a private platform”. Well, new flash, the internet as a whole is a private platform.

I sincerely hope you have a problem like this in the future so others can mock you over your misfortune.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by appplication »

monero-xmr wrote: post #181
appplication wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course, you can always use Bitcoin / Ethereum and the Ethereum Name Service which is true, legitimate digital ownership. Why is this legitimate digital ownership vs other forms? Bitcoin and ETH are stolen all the time, and it’s not recoverable, even if you can prove it rightfully belonged to you. People are wary of crypto because it’s controlled by a cabal of extraordinarily entrenched early adopters, many of wh…

A lot of early people sold, it’s hard to buy and hold when you 10x. Then people in at $1 sell at $10, those buyers sell at $100, those at $1000, and so on. It takes deep, deep conviction to sit on 10000% gains and not sell. And those people are true believers in the tech, and IMO deserve their riches. Same as anyone who bought FB or AMZN or GOOG at IPO and held until now. As a separate issue, do the longer term holde…

I have no love for the banks. But crypto is open source in name only. The deflationary nature of it ensures that expansion of adoption is exclusively to the enrichment of current holders. It’s a glorified ponzi scheme, posturing behind sham principles of openness and inclusion.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by monero-xmr »

appplication wrote: post #183
monero-xmr wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of early people sold, it’s hard to buy and hold when you 10x. Then people in at $1 sell at $10, those buyers sell at $100, those at $1000, and so on. It takes deep, deep conviction to sit on 10000% gains and not sell. And those people are true believers in the tech, and IMO deserve their riches. Same as anyone who bought FB or AMZN or GOOG at IPO and held until now. As a separate issue, do the longer term holde…

I have no love for the banks. But crypto is open source in name only. The deflationary nature of it ensures that expansion of adoption is exclusively to the enrichment of current holders. It’s a glorified ponzi scheme, posturing behind sham principles of openness and inclusion.

I feel like you are at an inflection point of understanding. The fiat economic system, which has been the global system since the gold standard went away, is a glorified Ponzi scheme! You are so close

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by meep0l »

adolph wrote: post #178
quickthrower2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am assuming they will take my 19 yo email address. So I am moving my logins slowly to my own domain.

“my own domain” Which is a touch more solid (I use in in that way) but still an ephemeral rented thing, not owned.

What is a better alternative? Is there one?

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by hackernewds »

monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

Replace "digital platform" with the Internet and it sounds like a terrible dystopia. Just because the policies existed doesn't make it right. What next? @POTUS is claimed by X and is put up for bidding to the highest bidder.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by hackernewds »

corndoge wrote: post #11

I hope they keep doing it, maybe it will lead to users understanding that they do not control or own the platform. Unfortunately the odds of that seem slim. Even when users get fed up and move, they tend to just move to another proprietary platform, without consideration or forward thought that maybe it's worthwhile to use support a platform where this cannot happen.

I hope this is also done to any website or URLs you "own" so a lesson can be learned as well. How about the corndoge Hews account to start?

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by hackernewds »

Freaky wrote: post #163
jonwest wrote: post #143

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that @ musicfan and @musicmusic were available? Or did they “acquire” those as well?

https://twitter.com/jeremyvaught/status/1687444457837187072 > Oh wow, I didn't even think to look up the alternatives they were offering. THEY ARE ALREADY USED AS WELL! So if I choose one, I'll be complicit in stealing more accounts.

what do the @musicfan user do then?

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by leereeves »

monero-xmr wrote: post #184
appplication wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no love for the banks. But crypto is open source in name only. The deflationary nature of it ensures that expansion of adoption is exclusively to the enrichment of current holders. It’s a glorified ponzi scheme, posturing behind sham principles of openness and inclusion.

I feel like you are at an inflection point of understanding. The fiat economic system, which has been the global system since the gold standard went away, is a glorified Ponzi scheme! You are so close

Neither is a ponzi scheme, but I think you're both trying to say that each rewards the already rich, which is true.

But replacing one "rich get richer" economic system with another is not an improvement, except for a very few people who might become rich during the transition.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by badwolf »

meep0l wrote: post #185
adolph wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“my own domain” Which is a touch more solid (I use in in that way) but still an ephemeral rented thing, not owned.

What is a better alternative? Is there one?

If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

Ultimately, you're going to depend on other parties behaving in a common interest, whether that's your email provider, your ISP, your registrar, anyone accepting your ip address announcements...

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