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Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by romwell »

noman-land wrote: post #121

What if Google took your 16 year old email address? Corporate cloud is an absolute trap. A prison. You cannot trust these companies with your important digital belongings. Free, libre, open source software, peer to peer networks, and citizen run communications infrastructure are the only viable way forward if we don't to live in a rental society where none of your belongings belong to you, not even your identity.

>What if Google took your 16 year old email address?

They can take my email address, I'm keeping my emails.

Got a mail client running on several machines for that reason. All hail IMAP.

Notifying all the people I've ever sent an email to of a new address is a quick task with an offline email client.

Changing the email address on all the accounts is a bit of a chore, but that goes with (as you rightfully say) not owning that email address.

Guess one of these days I'll run a mail server just for creating online accounts. It won't even need to send anything, so no worrying about aggressive spam filters. And it can auto-delete everything each day too without harm.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by afavour »

andrepd wrote: post #106
maximinus_thrax wrote: post #3

From another article [0]: > Vaught is mostly a Musk fan, as he's interested in Musk's electric cars and space developments. He said that this experience with X hasn't tainted his opinion of Musk or his relationship too much with X as a platform. He's holding out hope that Musk has a long-term plan for where Musk is taking X, but like many users, he's struggling to adjust to the rebranding. Vaught still refers to the…

Fucking hell, I hate this word with a passion and how it's used as a cheap insult, but really "cuck" is the only thing that springs to mind. Someone takes a dump all over you but not even that makes you less eager to say panegyrics about them? Very strange.

Please, no. “Cuckold” already has a meaning and it’s not this.

I know it makes me sound like a crotchety old man to complain about the changing nature of language but I’m not going to start helping it along.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by Freaky »

jonwest wrote: post #143

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that @ musicfan and @musicmusic were available? Or did they “acquire” those as well?

https://twitter.com/jeremyvaught/status/1687444457837187072

> Oh wow, I didn't even think to look up the alternatives they were offering. THEY ARE ALREADY USED AS WELL! So if I choose one, I'll be complicit in stealing more accounts.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by afavour »

isykt wrote: post #83
constantly wrote: post #6

I do think this is philosophically unjust, but in no way should anyone have built any brand on Twitter, particularly a generic like “music”, and not expected something like this would happen. Twitter in particular has a long and storied history of this sort of thing. I think the move should have been, if one were going to start on Twitter, to slowly funnel the largest possible portion of their 11M followers to their…

Wildly ahistorical take. 16 years ago nobody had “Diamond mine trust fund baby takes over Twitter and yoinks handles” on their bingo card for 16 years into the fucking future. In 2007, the housing market hadn’t crashed. George W Goddamn Bush was President. The Web seemed wide open for the taking, and scrappy startups seemed like fun places to share your life or your words or whatever. Vine was still more than half a…

I don’t understand the relevance or any of those things, nor does the prediction need to include emerald mines.

What should have been on the bingo card is “this company with whom I have no formal agreement might change its terms on a whim and destroy my project”. Even by 2008 you could probably have looked at Facebook apps as an example. I remember some startup for music sharing became the most popular service on there then one day FB changed some integration detail and their business died overnight.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by specialist »

I feel bad for Vaught. Most have been misquoting Musk, creating a great deal of confusion. So of course Vaught, like many more to come, was unwittingly caught betwixt.

Musk is a Freemium Speeches™ absolutist.

If you wanna have your say, then you're gonna have to pay. A lot.

PS- In totally unrelated news: Stackoverflow hit $1.6b (?) valuation from exploiting uncompensated labor. Retailers, MLMs, gig economy titans, among other grifters, have since been furiously studying this sterling example of plantation inspired ventures.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by moralestapia »

monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

What about domain names?

I have a really nice .app site and fear this every time I renew it.

(For those who don't know: .app is owned by Google)

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by numpad0 »

corndoge wrote: post #11

I hope they keep doing it, maybe it will lead to users understanding that they do not control or own the platform. Unfortunately the odds of that seem slim. Even when users get fed up and move, they tend to just move to another proprietary platform, without consideration or forward thought that maybe it's worthwhile to use support a platform where this cannot happen.

I hope more people realize that self chosen username as public ID is untenable. That's the core of the problem. Unique IDs has to be for internal use only and anything self chosen should not bear unique/primary key constraint by design.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by jbigelow76 »

worrycue wrote: post #154
jbigelow76 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading stuff like this makes me think we are seeing Gen-X's version of Donald Trump, and it worries me.

You are. I mean the similarities are uncanny. Both are publicity hounds who flip out at any perceived slight. Both are vain, petty, vindictive, and in general, seem to show all the signs of narcissistic personality disorder. Both have gone through countless wives. Both have a habit of not paying people because they can get away with it - as it’s too expensive to sue them for nonpayment; they can drag it out in court…

Both are also serial liars. The small mercy with Musk vis-a-vis Trump is that his nationality and shifting demographics of the United States (Republican efforts at voter suppression not withstanding) should ensure he doesn't have a shot at becoming president of the United States.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by presson »

moralestapia wrote: post #166
monero-xmr wrote: post #147

There is no such thing as true digital ownership for things built on anyone else’s platform. If you want to truly own something you need to use open protocols - like websites and bespoke software. If you build on someone’s API, or rely on “owning” a Twitter account which you literally have zero right to and is at the whim of the platform’s owner, don’t be shocked when it’s taken from you. Of course, you can always us…

What about domain names? I have a really nice .app site and fear this every time I renew it. (For those who don't know: .app is owned by Google)

This cannot happen with domains. If you were to drop the domain, they could potentially reserve it for themselves, but as long as you're not breaking laws and pay for renewals, the domain is yours.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by zajio1am »

morkalork wrote: post #52
rglullis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you say the same thing when a piracy site loses it's domain and moves yet again to another obscure tld? Are the people on the piratebay "pissed at ICANN" when they lose a domain? No, they learned that the domain name is worthless by itself.

How is a twitter handle different?

In case of domain registries there is a contract with clear terms.

In case of twitter handle or other free services there is no consideration on user's side so there is no binding contract, therefore the service could be revoked at any time.

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