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Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

When this was initially announced I saw multiple people posting on Twitter how the the non-Musk version of the company would also occasionally take over short name accounts and give them to government officials and large corporations.

Some of the replies when @x and @music got transferred were also complaining about not being compensated monetarily, which honestly seems like a bizarre expectation. Elon paid $44 billion for the company already. Paying people for their accounts sets up a poor precedent if they decide to take over other accounts in the future, and determining the amount to pay seems arbitrary. However, maybe giving these people a free Blue subscription for some number of years, or even for life, would've been a good move since it encourages them to continue participating on the platform.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by morkalork »

rglullis wrote: post #43
morkalork wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of tired of this low effort canned reply. Unless you are the literal embodiment of a state, it's always someone else's land. You're just renting it as long as you pay taxes on it. Same goes digitally. Hosting is someone else's land. Domain name registration is someone else's land. Do you say the same thing when a piracy site loses it's domain and moves yet again to another obscure tld?

> Do you say the same thing when a piracy site loses it's domain and moves yet again to another obscure tld? Are the people on the piratebay "pissed at ICANN" when they lose a domain? No, they learned that the domain name is worthless by itself.

How is a twitter handle different?

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by orbz »

gilli wrote: post #14

This is why I like how Bluesky handles it, you can use your own domain name. So I simply got @gilli.is, no reason for anyone ever to take that away from me.

And then some guy took the AWS S3 domain: https://chaos.social/@jonty/110307532009155432

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by okprod »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #51

When this was initially announced I saw multiple people posting on Twitter how the the non-Musk version of the company would also occasionally take over short name accounts and give them to government officials and large corporations. Some of the replies when @x and @music got transferred were also complaining about not being compensated monetarily, which honestly seems like a bizarre expectation. Elon paid $44 billi…

I think it's similar to some users believing they have a right to privacy or a right to "their" data on platforms like Facebook. Use at your own risk because they're not free services; they have a profit motive by nature of what they are.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

#55

Post by mixmastamyk »

maximinus_thrax wrote: post #3

From another article [0]: > Vaught is mostly a Musk fan, as he's interested in Musk's electric cars and space developments. He said that this experience with X hasn't tainted his opinion of Musk or his relationship too much with X as a platform. He's holding out hope that Musk has a long-term plan for where Musk is taking X, but like many users, he's struggling to adjust to the rebranding. Vaught still refers to the…

I exploit you, still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three

Oh, I'm… the… cult of personality

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

maximinus_thrax wrote: post #3

From another article [0]: > Vaught is mostly a Musk fan, as he's interested in Musk's electric cars and space developments. He said that this experience with X hasn't tainted his opinion of Musk or his relationship too much with X as a platform. He's holding out hope that Musk has a long-term plan for where Musk is taking X, but like many users, he's struggling to adjust to the rebranding. Vaught still refers to the…

He only hits me when I deserve it.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by rglullis »

morkalork wrote: post #52
rglullis wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you say the same thing when a piracy site loses it's domain and moves yet again to another obscure tld? Are the people on the piratebay "pissed at ICANN" when they lose a domain? No, they learned that the domain name is worthless by itself.

How is a twitter handle different?

Are TWitter handles overseen by ICANN and IANA? Are they bound by any type of international agreement?

The problem in your example is that the people behind TPB work with the principle that any domain name might be taken away from them at any moment, unlike Mr. @music, who was naive enough to think he was immune to any takeover just because he called dibs on the name.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by Timshel »

tredre3 wrote: post #27
rglullis wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing applies to Email, XMPP, Matrix, SIP, ActivityPub servers... nothing special about bluesky.

What is special about bluesky is that you don't have to host the service yourself (or pay a third party) for it to work.

But can you host it ? (Can't find much on federation).

I use fastmail and a custom domain for my email. If I'm unhappy with the service I can migrate or host it.

If you can't leave having your own domain is not much help.

Note: I believe webfinger are supported by Mastodon too, so not so special of a feature.

Re: Jeremy Vaught spent 16 years to build @music on Twitter, then X took it away

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Post by Aachen »

valianteffort wrote: post #41
HenryBemis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume he means "building the following by posting good content, etc. etc. for 16 years". This @music is a nice OG.. too bad they ruined it for him.

Fact of the matter is using twitter for 16 years provides no additional value to the company than someone using it for a day. No one cares how old your facebook is for example. Platforms that wanted to provide user pages at the top level were always gonna have this issue. Nobody would want a user to name himself "support" or "customerservice".

How long you've been doing something for matter a lot and it appears in lots of places. If I work somewhere for years, I can't be let go from one day to the next. If I rent a place for a decade, I can't just be thrown out with the three months' notice that are enough if I lived there for only a year. When the government updated the privacy law, even if you should never have been tracked without consent based on the 1995 law as well as article 8 of the human rights convention, businesses were still given two years to update their processes (2016–2018), during which time they could only get warnings. "Things always used to be this way" matters a lot.

And as I understand it, they didn't impersonate support and cause harm in that way, or pretend to be official in any other way, as in your example of calling yourself @customerservice.

I don't think either of these arguments work, especially because you did in fact draw customers to the website for 16 years so you did provide them value (your content in between their ads)

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