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Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by inetknght »

matrix_overload wrote: post #48
thejazzman wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?

The idea is that people should have the skill of critically assessing the information they see, not trusting it by default, and knowing how to verify it. Like, check for conflicts of interest, historical precedents, correlate independent sources, etc. This skill only develops if people have to deal with lies on a daily basis. If we delegate the function of telling what's a truth and what's a lie to a 3rd party, it qu…

> people should have the skill of critically assessing the information they see, not trusting it by default, and knowing how to verify it

Unfortunately, in America and I imagine abroad, those skills have been actively eroded so as to favor of consumerism. Moreover, the tools to pull one over on your fellow man have gotten more and more sophisticated such that you cannot trust recorded voices to be real, you cannot trust recorded video of people talking, and likely soon won't be able to trust recorded video at all.

There's a serious problem with that in its own. But it's compounded when people don't satisfy the very requirements you want of them.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by JackGreyhat »

sgift wrote: post #28
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Do you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.

I just checked and cannot reach RT from Germany, using the ISP provided DNS server. I think that is key.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by survirtual »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #47
ransackdev wrote: post #23

I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…

Copyright infringement is not protected speech. Google is free to provide or not provide results however they see fit. To me- freedom of speech is the right of citizens to criticize the government without reprisal. This does not mean that adversaries have the right to flood our airwaves with propaganda, lies, and other bullshit under the guise of protected speech.

The same tools used to "prevent copyright infringement" are used to silence and censor legitimate protest and opposition to tyranny.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by landoftheice »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #47
ransackdev wrote: post #23

I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…

Copyright infringement is not protected speech. Google is free to provide or not provide results however they see fit. To me- freedom of speech is the right of citizens to criticize the government without reprisal. This does not mean that adversaries have the right to flood our airwaves with propaganda, lies, and other bullshit under the guise of protected speech.

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Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by mdekkers »

sgift wrote: post #28
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Do you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/02/28/eu-rt-ban-extends-online/

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by philippejara »

sgift wrote: post #28
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Do you mean rt.com? I just accessed that cesspool and Germany is part of the EU, so .. nope. Not banned.

given that rumble was ordered to remove what I can only assume is rt and decided to just stop serving the country instead, It's certainly banned at the very least in France itself.

https://archive.is/Ryv67

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by camgunz »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #35
somethingreen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be a free speech absolutist, but now I believe phylosophical principles exist in service of humanity, not the other way around. If you consider that the goal of russian propaganda is to help Russia succeed in genocide of a 40 million nation, I think it should be fairly easy to handle some censorship, at least until genocide is stopped.

What philosophical principle justifies censorship, which is just propaganda through ommision? How can someone decide for themselves that they agree something is bad, if they aren't allowed to see it, or even know it exists? I don't think there is any philosophical principle that resloves to "and therefor we should commit ignorance"

I think the typical rejoinder here is Germany's denazification. There's a difference between preemptively censoring things and deciding some things are just wrong and not worth debating for the umpteenth time.

FWIW we preemptively censor things all the time. Information is classified, we don't let you post plans to build nuclear or biological weapons, etc. And to broaden a little, we also have lots of speech restrictions and compulsions. Fraud is against the law and that's largely speech. Inciting imminent lawless action isn't allowed. We require nutrition facts on products, we require doctors to say things before performing abortions, we compel testimony, etc. I personally wouldn't like it if you posted my address and when I'm likely to be away.

Speech is complicated, it's powerful, fundamental, and there are a lot of competing interests and principles.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by Y_Y »

ransackdev wrote: post #23

I don’t know this case or the site, I’m only commenting on this because, shouldn’t we be very concerned that anything can be silenced, globally, online? Where does it stop if we do it? Who gets the say? Who watches them? You see what I’m getting at? Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing s…

Vodafone have blocked RT in several EU countries, try it yourself: https://www.rt.com/africa/580875-france-niger-military-agree...

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by ABCLAW »

r3trohack3r wrote: post #44
somethingreen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be a free speech absolutist, but now I believe phylosophical principles exist in service of humanity, not the other way around. If you consider that the goal of russian propaganda is to help Russia succeed in genocide of a 40 million nation, I think it should be fairly easy to handle some censorship, at least until genocide is stopped.

I think you cut to the core of it: genocide. Governments are entrusted with great power. Enough power to decide an entire class of people no longer deserve to live. Without checks and balances that hold the people we put in government accountable, that power will be abused. “It should be easy to handle some censorship” is where your point went off the rails. When you trust your government with the power to control th…

>When you trust your government with the power to control the flow of information, you trust them with the power to hide their own actions from you

I think this is as false dilemma - no one's advocating that any institution or system that can regulate the flow of known bad information can operate without any constraints, oversight, etc.

If we assume any exercise of power will ALWAYS be misused under any circumstance, then taken to the extreme we literally shouldn't let people exercise under the notion that they can and will use physical force to coerce people. So we can't run on that assumption; sometimes governments can use power over information to do good things, like prevent the spread of pro-genocide propaganda.

We need to have a far more nuanced discussion about whether or not THIS instance of censorship is more positive or more negative.

Re: Pirate site not impressed by Global DNS blocking order

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

thejazzman wrote: post #45
mdekkers wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google started self censoring “Russian propaganda” and everyone was so distracted with the war itself that nobody seemed to take notice of what gears that type of thing set in motion. I recently found out that all of Russia Today is banned and blocked throughout the EU, and whilst I appreciate it’s pure propaganda, I don’t appreciate being told what I can and cannot read/watch/hear. It’s entirely against everything…

Please correct me if I'm misreading this, but are you saying bad actors have an inherent right to exercise their bad actions? It's on every individual to defend themselves against whatever harm is being inflicted, and society should stand by because, again, inherent right to be awful should be protected?

Who define bad?

And why can you not envision a scenario where someone else finds you, or a known good actor to be bad?

The most juvenile view from censorship discussions, is that you will never be the one that’s being censored.

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