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Most humans can do neither, so it's setting the bar far too high.
I think we should compare what best of LLMs can do with what the best of humans can do for a fair comparison. Else, we will be comparing what the best LLM can do with what the media/mean human can do. I can also point to tons of language models (both large and small) which don't do anything remotely useful.
The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
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Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mentioned the corpus prediction being the core of the LLM. Because of this, my prediction is we will see way more data withholding to prevent LLM learning just like we’ve seen with stack overflow, Reddit, X. I myself have started doing this. For example, I don’t publish code on GitHub anymore to prevent copilot training on my own code. Normally I like to get paid for work, instead of paying for GitHub and doing w…
Withholding like that won't achieve anything other than your own obscurity.
Online portfolios are the worst lie we tell young developers. It’s the software industry’s version of “exposure” gigs: they get a few more bits they can shove into their models, you get jack shit.
Every, and I mean, every job I got I got because I either knew a guy or I knew a guy that knew a guy. You are far better off going to conferences and networking.
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that new knowledge comes not only from combination but discovery , and discovery fundamentally requires access to and interaction with the actual world. And as of yet we have not created a way that computers can directly access the world, all I/O is mediated, etc. The more pedantic argument would be that what an LLM can write about the world is fundamentally limited to what has thus far been captured i…
People are hooking up LLM's with "access to the world" all over the place. Some of that will increasingly result in output that gets fed into training set. I'd be shocked if there aren't people running fairly large-scale research on letting LLMs using various patterns like ReAct to augment synthetic training data as we discuss this, because that'd be near the top of my list of things to do if I had the resources to t…
All of these inputs are either human-generated or based directly on the human-generated input. So the argument is merely extended to say that "all human-generated text and photographs are sufficient to fully describe the world" which again I think would be hard to argue for. The point of the article is that an LLM is simply a mechanical transformer from its input to its output, and the specifics of that transformation are fully determined by its training data, which is all human-generated.
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Is there something about the nature of language and linguistic meaning that would make it difficult to combine language in novel ways?
I would posit the opposite, language exists to be combined in any number of ways easily and still communicate well. A language that cannot do this does not I think exist.
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#85> To sum up: because LLMs are fundamentally limited to i) using our vocabulary, ii) “understanding” concepts in the ways we do, and iii) “talking” in the ways we do, then, at best, a LLM can only mirror back to us the order we have carved, the truth we have honed. That conclusion is not correct. Generative models can combine existing concepts in novel ways which have never been considered before. This is most easily…
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
People are hooking up LLM's with "access to the world" all over the place. Some of that will increasingly result in output that gets fed into training set. I'd be shocked if there aren't people running fairly large-scale research on letting LLMs using various patterns like ReAct to augment synthetic training data as we discuss this, because that'd be near the top of my list of things to do if I had the resources to t…
What does it take to "hook up" an LLM to a camera and get it to output something cogent? We have a set of human-selected discrete photographs and a set of human-written text labels for those photographs, then a model that is trained to assign those text labels to other photographs. Then a new photo is put into the model, a set of labels is emitted, and those labels are processed by the LLM as text (or more accurately…
The same as it takes to teach a human to recognise objects and output something cogent, except for machine learning models the effort does not need to be replicated from scratch each time.
But you're entirely missing the point of the comment you replied to, which is that giving them feedback loops and ability to carry out actions, and open ended problems to do things like web searches allows for discovery in the same way that a lot of human discovery happens, by posing questions, engaging in discovery and feed their findings back into further training. The only thing stopping us from doing that at scale right now is that training costs are still high enough that people are being conservative and taking the well known paths of feeding in cleaned and well labelled data. But we've already seen a lot of efforts in using LLMs to generate new training data for LLMs, and letting them drive that process without human intervention is an obvious next step (which will run into a huge number of failures, but the successes will keep accelerating future advances).
> The point of the article is that an LLM is simply a mechanical transformer from its input to its output, and the specifics of that transformation are fully determined by its training data, which is all human-generated.
For humans to be anything more than a "mechanical transformer from its input to its output" (assuming you're using "transformer" in the general sense here rather than in the sense of the specific LLM architecture) presumes not just a non-deterministic, non-materialistic world, but one that fundamentally breaks our understanding of both logic and physics. There's no evidence to suggest we are anything more than well trained, well-structured automatons. And on that basis, while there's every reason to acknowledge that there are additional big leaps to be made, this constant stream of assumptions that there's some inherent barrier between us and LLMs rather than just a set of refinements is pretty much a religious belief and nothing more.
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#87But that doesn't mean that future LLMs couldn't conceivably learn abstractions than are at a higher level or even perhaps inaccessible to humans in number of layers or complexity.
I think the obvious type of superintelligence that is only a few years away is what I call hyperspeed AI. LLMs are a very specific application which we will be able to accelerate greatly. Within a decade the output speed will be dozens of times faster than human thought.
Because they will have robust reasoning and extreme "thinking speed", these AIs will probably be connected to industry and military applications. Humans will need to be removed from the loop because waiting for a human decision means the competitors' AIs race ahead the equivalent of days or weeks.
If this is fine then it will create a precarious situation for humans where they are only nominally in control and things like advanced AI "viruses" might become very dangerous.
It's also certain that researchers will continue to develop new types of AIs that incorporate more animal (such as human)-like capabilities.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Withholding like that won't achieve anything other than your own obscurity.
Don’t kid yourself, posting your code on GitHub won’t lead to your being “discovered”, either. Online portfolios are the worst lie we tell young developers. It’s the software industry’s version of “exposure” gigs: they get a few more bits they can shove into their models, you get jack shit. Every, and I mean, every job I got I got because I either knew a guy or I knew a guy that knew a guy. You are far better off goi…
But that was not my point. My assumption to start with is that most of us do not put much on Github that more than a few other people will care about. But most individual accounts are also of minimal value to Github or other people training LLMs. So however small recognition you get from having code accessible publicly (for me it's the occasional recognition when doing job interviews and a few e-mails from people now and again), you lose that to take away far less value to people training LLMs.
For the vast majority of us, it takes a vastly inflated ego to think withholding our code from a public repository will even be noticed by more than a handful of people. There are exceptions, to be sure, but they are vanishingly small proportion of us.
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#89LLMs don't learn to simulate or mimic, that's just a byproduct. They learn to predict the training corpus. There is absolutely nothing about the act of prediction that necessitates an upper bound of intelligence on the corpus itself. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2016239118 They found representations on fundamental properties of proteins such as secondary structure, contacts, and biological activity in a…
> This is not true and is easy enough to test. How exactly is this not true? Embeddings are literally a mapping of (English) words to numbers.
> Hey ChatGPT, can you give me a brief explanation of AI embeddings, but respond in Chinese?
> 当然可以。
> AI 嵌入(embeddings)是一种将词汇、句子或其他类型的信息转化为高维度的向量的技术。这些向量捕捉到了原始信息的某些语义或关系特性。通过嵌入,我们可以更容易地在高维空间中比较和处理这些信息,如在机器学习模型中。
> 希望这有助于你了解!
As for saying it can only mimic words it knew in it's training data, this one gives zero results in google
> Hey ChatGPT can you make up a word for when I'm hungry but there's nothing in my kitchen I want to eat, so I'm not that hungry.
> Sure, how about "snackstipated"? It's a blend of "snack" and "constipated", suggesting a feeling of hunger but being stuck with unsatisfying options.
Re: The Myth of AI Omniscience: AI's Epistemological Limits
#90> To sum up: because LLMs are fundamentally limited to i) using our vocabulary, ii) “understanding” concepts in the ways we do, and iii) “talking” in the ways we do, then, at best, a LLM can only mirror back to us the order we have carved, the truth we have honed. That conclusion is not correct. Generative models can combine existing concepts in novel ways which have never been considered before. This is most easily…
I believe this can be served as example of combination of existing concepts in novel ways, applied to math, which is very formal and, on the other hand, is the basis of many other areas of human knowledge.
If this can serve as a such example, then you are wrong.
Also, what you have shown as your examples are not very much interesting outside of entertainment.