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Suppose you don't have enough money to buy real estate right now but you have enough to rent an apartment. If you don't want to be homeless, from whom do you acquire a lease?
Landlords are the reason housing is unaffordable, but in a world without landlords if homeownership is out of reach for a segment of the population there should be public housing to accommodate that need.
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#52I'm totally in favor of a vacancy tax, every city should have them. Dude is like, "People are just leaving to live cheaper elsewhere, we can't fill these units!". Have you tried lowering the rent? Of course not.
But the tax should be weighted. The higher the crime rate, the lower the tax rate. So now the city has to do something about crime, littering, defecation, intoxication, looting, etc. otherwise they get no money. But that won't happen ever because the voting criteria in SF is "donkey people good, elephant people bad". The donkey people have no incentive to be competent because they take their vote for granted.
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#53Sucks that SF is decay. But about the title - That's VERY Good! Humanity and society does not need an occupation identified as a "landlord". Housing should not be an investment ever.
There is a difference between building a building that is actually providing housing to a local area and this bullshit where you buy property and just let it sit empty as an investment vehicle. The latter is actively harmful and essentially freeloading off the growth/work of the local community and the former is beneficial.
If you want to screw the people doing that, build enough new housing that prices go down and they lose money on their investment.
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#54Summary and background: the Epoch Times host interviews a landlord who’s concerned about the impact of SF’s Proposition M, which imposes a vacancy tax on residential units in multi-family dwellings with three or more units.
The landlord manages a 25-unit building, which his uncle and father acquired decades ago. He blames the WFH phenomenon and crime for people leaving SF for cheaper cities and suburbs. He says he no longer can find people willing to rent his units on his terms on Craigslist or Zillow. He’s also concerned about the cost of implementing seismic retrofitting and complying with fire safety regulations. He’s worried about how long it will take for his building to regain its value: at its peak the building had appreciated and was appraised at “10.5 or 11-million" but his broker now appraises it at “between 6 and 7 million.” He goes on from there to a broader range of complaints about the city’s policies, over-regulation, how things have changed in his time, and how the balance of power seems to have shifted to favor tenants.
As to the residential vacancy tax that theoretically prompted this:
From 2024, after a residential rental unit has been left vacant for 6 months, a tax of between $2,500 and $5,000 (based on the apartment’s size) will apply in the first year, doubling each subsequent vacant year to a maximum of $10,000-$20,000 in the third and subsequent vacant years. Proponents of the vacancy tax mention that they’re particularly concerned about corporate landlords allowing units in rent-controlled buildings to remain vacant.
Single-family homes and duplexes are exempt. The city estimates that 4,000 of the city’s 40,000 vacant units will qualify for the tax in the first year [1]
[0] (pdf) Ballot measure text: https://sfelections.sfgov.org/sites/default/files/20220207_E...
[1] https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/san-francisco-voters...
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Landlords are the reason housing is unaffordable, but in a world without landlords if homeownership is out of reach for a segment of the population there should be public housing to accommodate that need.
Wrong. Housing is unaffordable because demand outstrips supply. Economic illiterates who blame “greed” making public policy tend to make it even worse.
A large portion of the supply is being held by investors like landlords which restricts the supply. Removing them from the equation would increase supply and decrease prices.
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Not sure it’s an “occupation” for most. I make less than 5% of my monthly living expenses off my rental property and treat my tenants with the care I’d treat my own family. I’m not sure a few bad actors taking advantage of people warrants statements like, “Housing should not be an investment ever.”
A few bad actors? You are the exception to the norm. Beyond that people are working to pay your mortgage increasing your net worth. You may not have much income, but you are getting wealthier.
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But the tax should be weighted. The higher the crime rate, the lower the tax rate. So now the city has to do something about crime, littering, defecation, intoxication, looting, etc. otherwise they get no money. But that won't happen ever because the voting criteria in SF is "donkey people good, elephant people bad". The donkey people have no incentive to be competent because they take their vote for granted.
Sounds like a great metric to game though. Undercounting crime is not far fetched at all. Such a metric needs to be maintained independently from the local government (or independently verifiable).
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Not OP, but probably that "fulfilling basic human needs shouldn't be for profit" I'm a colossal fan of co-ops and credit unions for this reason.
Maybe a more workable and less authoritarian tack would be that the government plays in the market as a limited profit entity, thereby ensuring that a cartel cannot fully capture the market and endlessly drive prices upwards. Limited profit (capped at some percentage over revenue) is allowed in order to let the entity invest in expansions so that they don't simply end up being 1% of the market that can be ignored by…
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure it’s an “occupation” for most. I make less than 5% of my monthly living expenses off my rental property and treat my tenants with the care I’d treat my own family. I’m not sure a few bad actors taking advantage of people warrants statements like, “Housing should not be an investment ever.”
A few bad actors? You are the exception to the norm. Beyond that people are working to pay your mortgage increasing your net worth. You may not have much income, but you are getting wealthier.
But beyond that, I still don’t think banning owning a rental (however that would be enforced anyway) is the solution there. It’s not a realistic suggestion.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there any place on this earth where “public housing” was anything but an unmitigated disaster that was used simply to corral “the have nots” away from “the haves”? Whatever the solution is, it’s damn sure is not public housing .
Right. Public housing as practiced in the US throughout the 1950s, 60s, and 70s was rife with racism and classism that caused a lot of problems. That doesn't mean it cannot be done well. It has been done well in other places. The prerequisite for success is the policy makers have to respect the people they're helping. That's all.