They didn’t ask to go viral • Hacker News Board

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by rychco » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #75

But what about the legality? You don't need people to sign a release form if you're a photojournalist or anything considered to be an editorial source. But as professional filmmakers know, you absolutely do need a release form if you're producing anything commercial (for sale). Or if you're pushing the boundaries of this like they do when filming Law & Order, to at least put up prominent signs so Manhattan pedestrian…

I personally DO think it should be illegal for another human’s identifying features to be present in a digital photo without their consent, especially if it is shared online & doubly so if any money is made on it (including advertising)

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by mvncleaninst » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:26 PM UTC

dustincoates wrote: post #28

nullindividual wrote: post #4

Social media truly is the opioid of today's society. While browsing /r/all, I ran across a post from a very popular sub which had an airport worker stripping in the airport, flailing on the floor, etc. No one knows why, could have been drugs, could have been a mental defect. Yet many of the thousands of responses were laughing because they could see the man's flaccid penis. While we don't know what caused the man to…

I know I'm not saying anything new here, but I'm always shocked by just how vicious the Reddit community is, especially from a group who considers themselves highly intelligent (compared to those "other" people). Videos like you describe are there every time I visit, along with fight videos and comments making up a back story as to what the victim did to deserve it, etc. Sometimes I wonder why things like vigilanteis…

I kind of wish that some billionaire would just get mad, buy reddit, and run it into the ground. The world would be a much better place

Or better yet, round the redditors up and send them to Siberia

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by ipaddr » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

yosito wrote: post #90

rcme wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to break it to you, but a sever in Google’s data center is not a private place. And if you shower in a public shower? For instance at the gym or pool? I believe you’re beginning to see that you have certain expectations of privacy in public too.

There's a reason I don't use Google products and block Google IP addresses. And I still expect that videos of me showering and the gym would not be posted online. It's not about who owns the property, it's about whether I'm in a place where I can be seen by the public.

It is illegal to record anyone without their consent in places where there is an expectation of privacy.

A shower may fall under that provided you have not been given notice that recording will take place. But people can takes photos of you at the gym working out and post thek online for others to laugh at.

If your apartment manager tells you they are filming or a sign is visible at the gym they can film you.

Connecting to the internet and requesting a resource means you are in public.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by scruple » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:29 PM UTC

ipqk wrote: post #117

at_a_remove wrote: post #51

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In the late 1980s, I got online. I refused to use my real name anywhere. I said, "Someone could run this Usenet group off to tape, restore it some time later, index it, and somehow make that available." I was derided as a paranoid fool. And yet here we are. One of my "handles" is still visible in a help file from 1993.

I was asked to provide a quote for a silly fluff lifestyle piece my friend was writing for the college's newspaper. 20 years later, that piece is number 5 when searching my fairly unique name (I've done as much as possible to scrub myself from the public internet).

I wonder if there's a service that could be created here, using AI to create sterile/whitewashed ghost accounts, and flood them all over social media, etc., for people so that the real, human identity is pushed down on the search results.

For sure against TOS, but I'm not sure that I personally care.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by inglor_cz » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

j45 wrote: post #61

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #49

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Groups which consider themselves as very intellectual can commit the worst atrocities. Just look at communists.

It has little to do with education or intellect. The disease of righteousness is available to all. Being able to reflect and examine one’s own thoughts and beliefs is harder than fitting in and being righteous.

Smarter people are better at rationalizing away their bad behavior, though.

You need certain cognitive capacity in order to engage in sophistry.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by nullindividual » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

yosito wrote: post #86

nullindividual wrote: post #69

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You've moved the goal posts from embarrassing behavior (smoking) to an illegal act. Try again.

The goal post was "doing something that they didn't want shared on social media". I didn't move anything.

Where in Western society do we consider an embarrassing act the same as an illegal act that may also be embarrassing?

My reaction to someone smoking is going to be "gross". My reaction to someone getting a DUI is going far, far beyond that, despite how embarrassing it is for the individual who received the DUI.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by rgrieselhuber » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:30 PM UTC

dustincoates wrote: post #28

nullindividual wrote: post #4

Social media truly is the opioid of today's society. While browsing /r/all, I ran across a post from a very popular sub which had an airport worker stripping in the airport, flailing on the floor, etc. No one knows why, could have been drugs, could have been a mental defect. Yet many of the thousands of responses were laughing because they could see the man's flaccid penis. While we don't know what caused the man to…

I know I'm not saying anything new here, but I'm always shocked by just how vicious the Reddit community is, especially from a group who considers themselves highly intelligent (compared to those "other" people). Videos like you describe are there every time I visit, along with fight videos and comments making up a back story as to what the victim did to deserve it, etc. Sometimes I wonder why things like vigilanteis…

For some reason, this reminded me of the Bansky quote:

“The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages.”

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by ipaddr » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:32 PM UTC

rolph wrote: post #36

yosito wrote: post #18

There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when in public. While it's certainly polite not to take photos of strangers and post them without asking if it's ok, you shouldn't morally or legally need permission. They're in public. Their actions can be seen by anyone else in public who crosses paths with them, whether online or off. There are cameras everywhere, and a random person with their smartphone should not be…

>> There is no reasonable expectation of privacy when in public this is the most incorrect statement i have seen today. you should experience what happens if you walk up to a woman with a purse and start rummaging through it. clothes would be unreasonable as well, you should look under peoples garments and tell them about how unreasonable they are being .

If you did that you could be charged with any number of charges, let's go with trespassing for starters, we can move to assault later.

If the purse was open and you looked no problem.

If someone frontdoor is open you can look in from a public spot but cannot walk-in.

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by xg15 » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:35 PM UTC

walthamstow wrote: post #106

zgluck wrote: post #30

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HN/YCombinator does not honor this correctly from a EU law perspective. They don't allow you to delete your content. What they do offer is renaming your account. I'm salivating for this monster lawsuit once they they have enough EU exposure. It will probably be based in Germany. @switch007: They are investing in European companies. That's exposure. @walthamstow: Look up the "Right to erasure" aspect of the GDPR. (Why…

I live in a GDPR country and I don't really see the problem with HN's approach. They own the information you typed into their website, you own the privacy of your name. Why should they delete information you gave them, rather than just help you anonymise it?

> They own the information you typed into their website

Not a lawyer, but is this actually the case? I thought the core of section 230 was about exactly that - that a site operator does not constitute a "publisher" for everything that is written on their site, if the site is just a "dumb" software that displays content written by the site's users - and therefore can't be made liable for anything written in user-generated content in the way they would be for editoral content.

That would imply to me that the site operator does not own the user-generated content. Otherwise, you'd have a weird "have your cake and eat it too" situation where a site gets all the rights of ownership but none of the responsibilities.

(... this doesn't even touch on the situation where that content violates intellectual property or contains PII.)

Re: They didn’t ask to go viral

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Post by ipaddr » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 4:38 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #93

ipaddr wrote: post #72

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Reddit has always been hostile/tribal, I would say it's slightly less so than in the past.

Absolutely not, in the beginning it was a super welcoming community, that openly accepted all types of people with open arms, where you could have friendly debates with people you'd probably punch in the face in real life. But it quickly changed as reddit became a more mainstream 4chan alternative rather than the welcoming community it was in beginning.

Have you ever been to the php subreddit... toxic since day one.