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Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by dlkf » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:19 PM UTC

geysersam wrote: post #345

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>That is why discussions around such technological silver bullets are always toxic: people want to believe. On the flip side, some people reject technological solutions on principle because for them, it's not about solving problems, it's about atoning for the sins of humanity. What does the alternative future look like where we solve the climate crisis by changing the way we live and organize society? Personally, I w…

> for them, it's not about solving problems, it's about atoning for the sins of humanity. Never encountered that. Maybe it exists but it's extremely rare and irrelevant. > putting a substantial portion of GDP into building nuclear reactors and removing carbon from the atmosphere Spending lots of money, to produce lots of energy, to solve a problem we created by using too much energy... What people don't get is that e…

Those things require energy. Incremental efficiency improvements will not make a big dent. Either we continue to use the same level of energy, or we start giving things up. It’s simple arithmetic.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:21 PM UTC

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I want everyone to be able to live in a well insulated flat powered by renewable energy walking and biking distance from their daily needs, and with public transport (and rarely-needed EV share) for the rest. Combined with a low meat low dairy diet and less disposable consumer junk it seems like we could get a long ways with an arguably better quality of life. Maybe work half time too.

I have the perfect place for you but only currently 5 available units. It checks everyone of your needs.* Meets your criteria and has fiber installed. We have at least 2 neighbors that will sell you eggs and I would let you garden. *have chosen EV charger the ev share will have to wait for full occupency.

Wonderful, but I'm moving to the Netherlands Monday. It checks the boxes except for NL's annoying dependence on gas. Where is your spot?

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:22 PM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #266

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I want everyone to be able to live in a well insulated flat powered by renewable energy walking and biking distance from their daily needs, and with public transport (and rarely-needed EV share) for the rest. Combined with a low meat low dairy diet and less disposable consumer junk it seems like we could get a long ways with an arguably better quality of life. Maybe work half time too.

"Stop eating nice food" is a nonstarter, as is "give up personal all weather mobility", have these as a policy positions and we'll get 3 degrees rises as those would be a smaller quality of life decrease for the average American.

I didn't even say stop eating meat. But we certainly could do with less, and make what we do eat better quality.

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:23 PM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #288

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Meat != nice food Cars != all weather mobility And if you really want a car get ready to pay 4x current prices because that's what they actually cost without subsidies and free externalities

While some meat eating being required for nice food is subjective, I'm struggling to see what the suggested alternative to cars for all weather personal mobility is. I want to go to visit my friend Bob who lives 10 miles away but the rain is pouring down. What do I do in a carless world? Btw: CO2 emission taxes, road taxes and congestion charges are a great idea.

Trams or buses to your friend Bob's flat or rowhouse would be helpful here.

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:24 PM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #296

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The real problem is that your friend lives 10 miles away and you don’t have adequate public transportation, not that life without cars is impossible.

Public transportation still requires you to go to the bus stop in the rain. I'm also unsure what the proposed solution to Bob being 10 miles away is. Should I only make friends with people who work at the same place?

You keep saying 10 miles. Good cities are maybe ten miles across tops. Or huge enough for extensive metros.

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:25 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #367

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Public transportation still requires you to go to the bus stop in the rain. I'm also unsure what the proposed solution to Bob being 10 miles away is. Should I only make friends with people who work at the same place?

If rain were a major impediment to functioning Ireland and NL should be abandoned. But it isn't. Rain is a minor nuisance. As for your friendships: in the past people would usually be good friends with people living close to them because they lacked transport. I have friends all over the world on account of the internet and I'm well aware that going to visit them is in many cases out of the question. That's much easi…

In fairness Ireland is annoyingly car dependent for Europe (and I'm writing this on the Luas!)

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by CalRobert » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:28 PM UTC

detourdog wrote: post #386

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Who's building that well insulated flat and where is the insulation coming from? I sometimes worry that the pyramid of infrastructure and labour required to create that flat is not scalable

I just did it. Definitely possible. Every project is a compromise. The biggest and easiest compromise to make is location. Opportunities are everywhere if one is looking and prepared. I don't understand why so many people choose to believe things are impossible. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Y5oqs3qnakFd

How's public transport and bike infra?

Re: Reduction of sulfur emissions from ships may be causing rising sea temperatures

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Post by the__alchemist » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

nologic01 wrote: post #156

The enthusiasm with geoengineering among the HN community is worrisome. Not sure which computing analogy would drive home the complete recklessness of this mentality but the Earth is not something you can reboot to the last working state once you harebrained patch implodes. It is true that we have been slowly geoengineering for ages (initially unwittingly, recently with eyes wide open) and it is also true that our mo…

The harebrained patch you describe has already been applied, and I can't find the reboot button.

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Post by detourdog » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:50 PM UTC

CalRobert wrote: post #397

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I just did it. Definitely possible. Every project is a compromise. The biggest and easiest compromise to make is location. Opportunities are everywhere if one is looking and prepared. I don't understand why so many people choose to believe things are impossible. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0Y5oqs3qnakFd

How's public transport and bike infra?

we have a bike path that crosses town and the next town over is working to connect. Once tbat is connect it will be 22 mile bike ride to pittsfield.

Public transit exists but luckily there arn’t many places to go.

If it’s not within 3 miles mostly likely you have to travel 20 miles. This helps keep the carbon footprint low because it is easy to go without.

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Post by detourdog » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 1:53 PM UTC

CalRobert wrote: post #392

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I have the perfect place for you but only currently 5 available units. It checks everyone of your needs.* Meets your criteria and has fiber installed. We have at least 2 neighbors that will sell you eggs and I would let you garden. *have chosen EV charger the ev share will have to wait for full occupency.

Wonderful, but I'm moving to the Netherlands Monday. It checks the boxes except for NL's annoying dependence on gas. Where is your spot?

Netherlands is better but here is my spot but I think we are a close second. The food culture is what one gives up to live here. Might as well cook for your self.

https://destinationwilliamstown.org/