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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by abtinf »

slaw wrote: post #221
abtinf wrote: post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

I don't see any people say Kagi is too expensive, where do you find them? I don't use Kagi as I found it useless. It is only UI for Google search. Yandex and Bing works better than Kagi.

Kagi search results come from a variety of sources, including their own private index.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by insin »

abtinf wrote: post #92
LAC-Tech wrote: post #77

I actually did a smaller thing for HN. I have client side JS that blocks results from a few domains that seemed to promote low quality discussions and/or irrelevant submissions. const boringDomains = [ "newyorker.com", "nytimes.com", "economist.com", "wired.co.uk", "bbc.com", "aella.substack.com", "hecolumn.substack.com", "wsj.com", "kqed", "voanews.com", "wusa9.com", "noemamag.com", "arstechnica.com", "independent.c…

Could this be modified to block comments from a list of usernames too? The last time I looked at HN’s DOM made me sad. There are some prolific users who… while their comments are of normal quality, trigger a strong desire for me to respond. I’d rather simply not see their comments (and reply trees) at all.

Comments Owl for Hacker News [1] adds a mute control to comments and user profiles which lets you do this.

If you want to roll a quick version of your own, once you've identified rows containing comments you want to block, you need to hide all subsequent rows which have a higher indent. I see there's now an "indent" attribute in the DOM which would make this even easier.

[1] https://github.com/insin/comments-owl-for-hacker-news#commen...

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by oktoberpaard »

abtinf wrote: post #93
OJFord wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I’m a former DDG user and current paying Kagi customer. One critical difference I’ve noticed is that frequently used bangs with DDG, but almost never with Kagi. I think this is because over a very short period of usage, I applied block/lower/raise/pin to various domains, and now my search results are almost always perfect . That said, I understand the value of going directly to a site. On that front, Kagi makes it tr…

I've used DDG for years before switching over to Kagi and I was accustomed to having to use the !s bang daily (and !g before I found out about !s). On Kagi I literally never use it, since it already incorporates Google search results and filters out a lot of crap.

I've also defined some custom bangs to search private Jira and Confluence instances with some default filters applied, because the default search on those instances was driving me insane. It took me a long time to convince myself to pay $10 a month for a search engine, but I've never looked back.

I'm currently experimenting with hostname rewrite rules.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by aldanor »

tschumacher wrote: post #300

Anecdotally when searching for Python standard lib docs on Google, python.org is never at the top. I think this is because they have a single page titled "Built-in types" instead of dedicated pages titled e.g. "str.split". Above python.org I get links to w3schools.com, programiz.com, python-reference.readthedocs.io (some inofficial project abandoned 2015), geeksforgeeks.org, codegree.de and freecodecamp.org.

If on macos, highly recommending Dash for all your programming docs needs for any language. Real gem and a time saver.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by moonshinefe »

I might be misremembering, but I seem to recall geeksforgeeks being ok a few years ago. But I've started avoiding it because it seems like there's multiple nag screens in a row whenever I make the mistake of clicking. Seems a lot of people agree.

Is the issue here these sites aren't putting up the barriers to the crawlers, and are getting high ranking in all the results despite all the friction to normal users? It'd be nice if there were a way for a search engines to tell if paywalls / nag screens are a thing on sites and to demote them from the results accordingly.

It seems like it wouldn't be hard for them to tell, but maybe they don't want to de-rank sites with these patterns. But really, from the consumers' perspective, who wants these sites in the results? I'm all for subscribing to something if I use it repeatedly, but that doesn't describe 90% of the sites I visit and I don't have the money for 1000 subscriptions.

Maybe they could just have a filter to filter for free sites only. I don't know what the solution is, but having blocked domains while nice is just a band-aid.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by maccard »

Gareth321 wrote: post #309
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t waste time on this! You’re all doing such good work and I’d much rather not see it wasted on indulging some techno-anarchist nerds

There is a lot of value currently tied up in crypto around the world, with increasing difficulty in using it on products and services. Offering a way to use this value would open additional revenue streams for Kagi. The challenge is in conversion, as many banks do not support the practise, and laws are becoming tougher with regards to crypto payments.

That doesn't sound particularly valuable to me. If it's that valuable, why don't you convert it to USD and pay Kagi with that?

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by maccard »

OJFord wrote: post #38
sockaddr wrote: post #20

Ok wow, seeing these lists might have just made a customer out of me. I’ve been vaguely aware of Kagi and know the general premise but this made it real.

Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

Alternatively, you're only willing to pay roughly the cost of a coffee per month for something you deem as a killer feature for everyday use.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

sam1r wrote: post #253
scarmig wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Google have this feature like two decades ago (blocks, at least)? It's not quite a search innovation, more like a "caring about your users as a business strategy" innovation.

Yes, but 99.9 percent of its users do not know these filters/features exist. Still don't. Google didn't prioritize it's visibility [intentioally] over the past 2 decades as well. Maybe it's time to do so. I can't imagine how tedious the process may be to make very small changes on the main google home page.

> Yes, but 99.9 percent of its users do not know these filters/features exist. Still don't.

The features you were referring to were removed a few years after they were launched.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by oktoberpaard »

justintoon wrote: post #100
abtinf wrote: post #95

The single biggest deficiency of Kagi is Apple’s exclusive control over the list of selectable default search providers in iOS Safari. It is infuriating and is the one thing that has caused me to seriously try other browsers on mobile. The problem is, they are all terrible in some small paper cutting ways (including Orion, though that has been rapidly improving).

I realize this is probably not the solution you want, but there is an official iOS Safari extension that will intercept all address bar searches and route them to Kagi. I don’t remember how much it costs, and it doesn’t seem to work super well with private browsing, but it’s better than nothing and works well for what it is. Ymmv https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kagi-search-for-safari/id16077...

It actually works very well with private browsing. You just need to have the extension enabled for private browsing (in iOS 17 that's a separate switch) and tap on "get your session link" once in the extension menu in Safari. That way it knows about your subscription, even in private tabs.
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